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Gunwalker: Issa reveals DEA involvement.
Pajamas Media ^ | 11 October, 2011 | Bob Owens

Posted on 10/11/2011 12:38:31 AM PDT by Watchdog85

"It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF."

It was a brutal weekend for the Obama administration: Gunwalker continued unraveling at a faster pace, with new developments suggesting that Attorney General Eric Holder may not be the only Obama appointee destined for a political fall and possible criminal charges.

In an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa revealed for the first time that the Drug Enforcement Administration was far more involved in running the operation than the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:

It wasn’t an ATF operation. They were part of that. It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF.

This directly conflicts with prior statements by DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart — she claimed that the DEA only played a supporting role and that her DEA agents in El Paso and Phoenix were only “indirectly involved in the ATF operation through DEA-associated investigative activity.” She further absolved her agency by claiming that “DEA personnel had no decision-making role in ATF operations” associated with Fast and Furious.

The DEA’s higher-profile role will not absolve ATF personnel for their roles in carrying out the plot politically, but it could potentially make a difference in future criminal proceedings if ATF agents on the front lines of the operation thought they were participating in a legitimate law enforcement operation.

Unfortunately for the Department of Justice, the higher level of collusion between different federal law enforcement agencies that report to the attorney general make it even more unlikely that Eric Holder and other senior DOJ personnel were unaware of the real goal of the operation.

Issa’s committee is in the process of preparing subpoenas for members of the Obama administration to try to find out who authorized the operation, and to ask why they have not been forthcoming if they believed the operations to be legal:

Why are they denying knowing about something that they were briefed on? … Exactly when, the American people want to know, how did it happen?

Issa also revealed for the first time the magnitude of the largest individual gunwalking incidents, noting that one effort involved the shipment of 700 guns to the Sinaloa cartel.

Issa continued:

This is about Justice Department knowing, and this is where the American people have a right to know more, knowing that these guns were deliberately intended to end up in the hands of the drug cartels without any kind of traceability, except if you find a gun in the scene of the crime. That is the reason that it is felony and stupid — and I use the word “felony” deliberately — program.

A massive stockpile containing dozens of Operation Fast and Furious weapons was recovered in Mexico at an arsenal hidden in the Ciudad Juarez home of Sinaloa cartel enforcer Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo. The raid occurred on April 30; the revelation that 40 of the guns were from the gunwalking plot constitutes breaking news and confirmation that the plot worked as designed.

Mexican politicians and media are far more enraged than their complacent U.S. counterparts. One op-ed asked if the U.S. should be considered an “ally or enemy.” Mexico’s Attorney General Marisela Morales, who stated that more than 200 Mexican citizens have been killed with Fast and Furious weapons, referred to the Obama administration plot as “an attack on Mexicans’ security.”

The mainstream media, perhaps fearing even more damage to their credibility and bottom line, finally started covering the scandal late last week. A sad example of this me-too, late-to-the-game journalism is David Jackson’s article at USA Today — four paragraphs of current information grafted onto a nine-paragraph blockquote from an existing CBS News article.

House Republicans showed no sign of backing down. One of the most outspoken on this scandal, Rep. Paul Gosar, continued to blast the administration:

Gosar told The Daily Caller that “In Main Street America, you’d never get away with” dissembling about the gun-walking program, and that in different circumstances, ”the people who’ve been responsible would’ve already been in jail.”

A bipartisan group of ten Arizona sheriffs (5 Republican, 5 Democrat) has called for a special counsel to investigate the gunwalking operations, joining House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith and a number of others.

Mike Vanderboegh, one of the bloggers who broke open the scandal, is continuing a detailed series of articles that increasingly point to a State Department role in setting up these gunwalking operations. Vanderboegh’s sources within the Department are the first to name names, including: Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, and Andrew J. Shapiro, Clinton’s assistant secretary for political-military affairs.

State insiders apparently referred to the gunwalking plot as “the Mexican Hat Dance,” and claim the goal of the plot was, as we’ve indicated before, to support the 90-percent lie.

With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force.

In the interim, Holder’s letter attacking the messenger last week was returned with even greater force by Issa in a letter which pulled no punches:

Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.

Operation Fast and Furious was the Department’s most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.

With three cabinet-level secretaries and their staffs involved in a plot to create a murderous reality to match White House rhetoric, it seems only a matter of time before subpoenas are directed to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


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And the plot thickens...
1 posted on 10/11/2011 12:38:35 AM PDT by Watchdog85
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To: Watchdog85

Does this mean that Holder, Napolitano, and the messiah himself could be impeached and brought up on perjury charges at the very least. Jeez, that would mean bite-my-lip Biden would be President. Hmmm, very interesting. At least he wouldn’t lie to us, because he has loose lips.


2 posted on 10/11/2011 12:53:32 AM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: Watchdog85

And DHS, and State Dept, and FBI...


3 posted on 10/11/2011 12:54:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

Gunwalker: Issa reveals DEA involvement.,


4 posted on 10/11/2011 1:04:09 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

My admiration for Issa grows by leaps and bounds.


5 posted on 10/11/2011 1:08:42 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Watchdog85

Holder’s a lying sack of shit. He claims he knew nothing of Fast and Furious and yet two DOJ organizations were involved in the operation of it.

My guess is you might want to look at the IRS too.


6 posted on 10/11/2011 1:13:09 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: little jeremiah

Ditto on that, this criminal enterprise had many capos and foot soldiers.


7 posted on 10/11/2011 1:38:54 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Watchdog85

Obama and Emmanuel hatched the plan with Valerie Jarret, Holder, Napolitano, Clinton, and Geithner:.

State, HS, DOJ and Treasury are all up in it to their necks, Whtie House too.

Lots of dead bodies and live criminals and guns still running around this one. Its not over by a long shot so to speak.


8 posted on 10/11/2011 2:37:37 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: little jeremiah
And DHS, and State Dept, and FBI...

And I suspect CIA and other spook agencies were willing "stakeholders" in this little caper. Ultimately, it will make Iran/Contra look like small potatoes, run by a bunch of amateurs.

It's just a matter of The One deciding how many of his homies have to be burned before his name comes up.

A lot of people have to think about cutting a deal, or taking the rap for someone else. The ones who sign up early get the best deals.

9 posted on 10/11/2011 2:39:21 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: Watchdog85
Well. Well. Well.

Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker

In honor of Hillary, here is the real Mexican Hat Dance.

The Mexican Hat Dance

10 posted on 10/11/2011 2:45:49 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: VeniVidiVici

I read that Holder was a judge for five years. How? The dude doesn’t know the truth.


11 posted on 10/11/2011 2:52:32 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: Watchdog85
...a detailed series of articles that increasingly point to a State Department role in setting up these gunwalking operations...

Oh no, poor DemonRats. Now if F&F damages Obummer to the point where he looks incapable of winning a 2nd term, then they have also lost their backup plan with Hillary. Oh no...

12 posted on 10/11/2011 3:03:44 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Guess we now know why they are assembling their foot soldiers and occupying town centers.


13 posted on 10/11/2011 3:07:12 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

A Clinton involved in criminal activity? Why doesn’t that surprise me?


14 posted on 10/11/2011 3:11:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

She set him up. Obama called her man, his man. God knows what that really means, but she was plausibly deniable. She was not in the meetings, just her man was.


15 posted on 10/11/2011 3:15:54 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Well, remember Hillary is “the smartest woman in the world”. She is very good at what she does.


16 posted on 10/11/2011 3:27:55 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

If she is going for the jugular right now, expect this to all break wide open in the MSM soon. Has Hillary come out and supported the Occupiers yet ?


17 posted on 10/11/2011 3:33:58 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Watchdog85

Here’s to the ‘Enemies Within’ carrying badges taking some major knocks and soon. Collateral damAGe haPPens..


18 posted on 10/11/2011 3:52:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: MestaMachine

More stuff elsewhere:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/10/direct-evidence-holder-lied-bragged-about-project-gunrunner-in-mexico-in-2009.html

Screenshot from DOJ


19 posted on 10/11/2011 4:33:26 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: MestaMachine; Joe Brower; Nachum; marktwain
"Unfortunately for the Department of Justice, the higher level of collusion between different federal law enforcement agencies that report to the attorney general make it even more unlikely that Eric Holder and other senior DOJ personnel were unaware of the real goal of the operation."

I wonder how long until NBC-Pravda makes ANY mention of Fast and Furious?

Anybody seen Kevin O'Reilly lately?


20 posted on 10/11/2011 5:09:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Watchdog85; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
Please read these key sentences from the above article, to understand the greater picture of Fast and Furious. Mike Vanderboegh, one of the bloggers who broke open the scandal, is continuing a detailed series of articles that increasingly point to a State Department role in setting up these gunwalking operations. Vanderboegh’s sources within the Department are the first to name names, including: Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, and Andrew J. Shapiro, Clinton’s assistant secretary for political-military affairs.

State insiders apparently referred to the gunwalking plot as “the Mexican Hat Dance,” and claim the goal of the plot was, as we’ve indicated before, to support the 90-percent lie. With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force.

21 posted on 10/11/2011 5:13:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
22 posted on 10/11/2011 5:13:48 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: FlyingEagle

I agree— question is how much control does the 0 have over the US supreme Court? IMO unless they act to defend the Law as their Oath -and the US Constitution require— then the acts of a Patriot (Mr.Issa) will be moot. I cannot expect the Jacks and Jennies in Congress to act in open revolt against the man they helped put in the WhiteHouse.


23 posted on 10/11/2011 5:28:03 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Travis McGee; All

Take this info into account also.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2790956/posts


24 posted on 10/11/2011 5:33:14 AM PDT by Watchdog85
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To: GunPkrBkr
If Obama is subpoenaed it will be explosive. He does not think he's accountable to anyone and will be absolutely defiant.
25 posted on 10/11/2011 5:38:28 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: justa-hairyape
Don't seem shocked when it unfolds that several republican congress persons and US Senators were if not involved, at least briefed of the plan before it was uncorked.

Look at John McCain for one.

26 posted on 10/11/2011 5:40:12 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Watchdog85

So, what punishment should be meted out to our Government for these transgressions?

I support mandatory repeal of all gun bans and total elimination of all exemptions for Government in firearms laws.

There must be a settlement with the American Citizens for this wrong doing. We must have reparations for their criminal activity. Repeal of some of the gun laws on the books is a good start. Also outlawing any exemptions in firearms laws is a show of good faith.

I personally want to see all the laws that have enabled BATFE to slide down this road be gone! The Sporting Purpose clause, NFA, MG ban, all importation restrictions, any and all registration schemes, and all technical based laws regarding firearms must go.

Our Government OWES the American people this.


27 posted on 10/11/2011 5:48:46 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

First up: Gunwalker: Issa reveals DEA involvement.


28 posted on 10/11/2011 6:29:12 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Since you’re suggesting involvement of tax records, may I suggest an examination of the NFA Registry for irregular Form 4 filings which fit thru a narrow hole in 922(o) (the ‘86 MG ban).
To wit: all those F&F items found so far had darned well better be single- or semi-only. If any are NFA, F&F moves to a whole new level of hurt for the perps.


29 posted on 10/11/2011 6:29:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: GunPkrBkr
At least he wouldn’t lie to us, because he has loose lips.

Also, you can tell when he's lying - his hair plugs start vibrating.

30 posted on 10/11/2011 6:32:47 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: BCR #226
that would be a good start, and fair...

if i stole yer lawnmower and it was found in my shed, i think giving it back to you would only be the tip of the iceberg...then the punishment must be carried out to insure that i learned my lesson...

31 posted on 10/11/2011 6:40:06 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: blackdog
Look at John McCain for one.

You're making me smile.

32 posted on 10/11/2011 6:40:54 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BCR #226

Dismantling the ATF is a logical outcome - with the consequence that most enacted regulations become unexecutable and unenforceable, quite possibly leaving SCOTUS little recourse but to overturn NFA, GCA, 922(o), etc.

I sure hope there’s some very smart and connected people on our side preparing to take advantage of this opportunity.
HINT.


33 posted on 10/11/2011 6:41:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Travis McGee

That paragraph explains how the logistics of the plot were handled. This is dirty and the end will not be pretty. These people will not go down without a fight.


34 posted on 10/11/2011 6:46:37 AM PDT by Ghengis
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To: FlyingEagle

May they swing by those necks, too. Issa is pulling no punches but damn, those wheels of justice turn frustratingly slow. Subpoenas this week PLEASE! Holder can’t stand in front of the train much longer. He’s going to be a grease spot when this over.


35 posted on 10/11/2011 6:48:08 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Ghengis

I agree. Cornered rats are very dangerous. They know they might be going to prison after 2013. They will pull out all the stops to try to hijack the narrative into a Hugo Chavez “popular uprising.” It won’t work, obviously, but these morons thought they could keep F&F secret.


36 posted on 10/11/2011 6:54:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; All

” With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force. “

Sheriff Arpaio here, is investigating Holder, Nappy, and Obama, and has openly stated so.


37 posted on 10/11/2011 6:59:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Travis McGee
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38 posted on 10/11/2011 7:08:39 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Travis McGee

With how far and wide this recipe is going...

This batch of gumbo I think I’m going to pass on...


39 posted on 10/11/2011 7:34:07 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: mojitojoe

Busted!!!


40 posted on 10/11/2011 7:36:30 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 10/11/2011 7:43:40 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


42 posted on 10/11/2011 7:46:29 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Watchdog85

In ANY serious organization there would have been heads rolling many months ago.

But the top guys don’t want to fire themselves do they? And nobody wants to be the fall guy.

That said, it may be possible that Holder is merely incompetent (which is why Clinton had him do the pardons, -—he’s easily fooled) and Napolitano is the real criminal.

“Big Sis Goes to Jail” —future NY Post Headline
“Motherly Matron Stumbles” —future NY Times headline


43 posted on 10/11/2011 8:03:33 AM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: Travis McGee
noting that one effort involved the shipment of 700 guns to the Sinaloa cartel.

700 guns. That's enough to arm 2 entire Marine Corps Battalions.

This is life in Federal prison stuff, folks.

44 posted on 10/11/2011 8:04:05 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Watchdog85
Holder lied, people died!

Libs just love those short sound bites.

45 posted on 10/11/2011 8:04:29 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Barack 0bamacide... Destroys economies on on contact!)
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To: Watchdog85
This will go nowhere. The RATS have already circled their wagons - the media is doing their job of not covering it. They (DB LSM) cannot afford to have their candidate go down, they know they will be blamed for not vetting him in 2007-2008.

God Bless Issa and Grassley but the word IMPEACHMENT will never pass their lips, for fear of a firestorm from the media and the RATS in Congress. True form of RACISM is bring up IMPEACHMENT. /s
46 posted on 10/11/2011 8:04:54 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Watchdog85

Gunwalker had better be mentioned in the next debate.


47 posted on 10/11/2011 8:08:52 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 300winmag

The ones who sign up early get the best deals.
+++++++++++++++
Who do you make a deal with? Not the Justice Department that’s for sure. Can Congress guarantee immunity from prosecution?


48 posted on 10/11/2011 8:11:13 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: justa-hairyape
Has Hillary come out and supported the Occupiers yet ?

It's conceivable that they're all her flying monkeys, and most likely not even cognizant of that fact.

49 posted on 10/11/2011 8:16:23 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: mojitojoe
Wow! April 2, 2009, Holder makes his first trip to another country as AG and says the whole purpose of his trip is to announce a big step-up of of a new approach using Gunrunner in Arizona, adding 100 ATF people, 16 DEA people,.....

Look at the letter: ..."DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

Hey!

Does anybody have Napolitano's remarks from April 2nd, 2009 at the in Cuernavaca, Mexico?

50 posted on 10/11/2011 8:25:50 AM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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