I wonder how long until NBC-Pravda makes ANY mention of Fast and Furious?
Anybody seen Kevin O'Reilly lately?
Posted on 10/11/2011 12:38:31 AM PDT by Watchdog85
"It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF."
It was a brutal weekend for the Obama administration: Gunwalker continued unraveling at a faster pace, with new developments suggesting that Attorney General Eric Holder may not be the only Obama appointee destined for a political fall and possible criminal charges.
In an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa revealed for the first time that the Drug Enforcement Administration was far more involved in running the operation than the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:
It wasn’t an ATF operation. They were part of that. It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF.
This directly conflicts with prior statements by DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart — she claimed that the DEA only played a supporting role and that her DEA agents in El Paso and Phoenix were only “indirectly involved in the ATF operation through DEA-associated investigative activity.” She further absolved her agency by claiming that “DEA personnel had no decision-making role in ATF operations” associated with Fast and Furious.
The DEA’s higher-profile role will not absolve ATF personnel for their roles in carrying out the plot politically, but it could potentially make a difference in future criminal proceedings if ATF agents on the front lines of the operation thought they were participating in a legitimate law enforcement operation.
Unfortunately for the Department of Justice, the higher level of collusion between different federal law enforcement agencies that report to the attorney general make it even more unlikely that Eric Holder and other senior DOJ personnel were unaware of the real goal of the operation.
Issa’s committee is in the process of preparing subpoenas for members of the Obama administration to try to find out who authorized the operation, and to ask why they have not been forthcoming if they believed the operations to be legal:
Why are they denying knowing about something that they were briefed on? … Exactly when, the American people want to know, how did it happen?
Issa also revealed for the first time the magnitude of the largest individual gunwalking incidents, noting that one effort involved the shipment of 700 guns to the Sinaloa cartel.
Issa continued:
This is about Justice Department knowing, and this is where the American people have a right to know more, knowing that these guns were deliberately intended to end up in the hands of the drug cartels without any kind of traceability, except if you find a gun in the scene of the crime. That is the reason that it is felony and stupid — and I use the word “felony” deliberately — program.
A massive stockpile containing dozens of Operation Fast and Furious weapons was recovered in Mexico at an arsenal hidden in the Ciudad Juarez home of Sinaloa cartel enforcer Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo. The raid occurred on April 30; the revelation that 40 of the guns were from the gunwalking plot constitutes breaking news and confirmation that the plot worked as designed.
Mexican politicians and media are far more enraged than their complacent U.S. counterparts. One op-ed asked if the U.S. should be considered an “ally or enemy.” Mexico’s Attorney General Marisela Morales, who stated that more than 200 Mexican citizens have been killed with Fast and Furious weapons, referred to the Obama administration plot as “an attack on Mexicans’ security.”
The mainstream media, perhaps fearing even more damage to their credibility and bottom line, finally started covering the scandal late last week. A sad example of this me-too, late-to-the-game journalism is David Jackson’s article at USA Today — four paragraphs of current information grafted onto a nine-paragraph blockquote from an existing CBS News article.
House Republicans showed no sign of backing down. One of the most outspoken on this scandal, Rep. Paul Gosar, continued to blast the administration:
Gosar told The Daily Caller that “In Main Street America, you’d never get away with” dissembling about the gun-walking program, and that in different circumstances, ”the people who’ve been responsible would’ve already been in jail.”
A bipartisan group of ten Arizona sheriffs (5 Republican, 5 Democrat) has called for a special counsel to investigate the gunwalking operations, joining House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith and a number of others.
Mike Vanderboegh, one of the bloggers who broke open the scandal, is continuing a detailed series of articles that increasingly point to a State Department role in setting up these gunwalking operations. Vanderboegh’s sources within the Department are the first to name names, including: Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, and Andrew J. Shapiro, Clinton’s assistant secretary for political-military affairs.
State insiders apparently referred to the gunwalking plot as “the Mexican Hat Dance,” and claim the goal of the plot was, as we’ve indicated before, to support the 90-percent lie.
With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force.
In the interim, Holder’s letter attacking the messenger last week was returned with even greater force by Issa in a letter which pulled no punches:
Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.
Operation Fast and Furious was the Department’s most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.
With three cabinet-level secretaries and their staffs involved in a plot to create a murderous reality to match White House rhetoric, it seems only a matter of time before subpoenas are directed to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Does this mean that Holder, Napolitano, and the messiah himself could be impeached and brought up on perjury charges at the very least. Jeez, that would mean bite-my-lip Biden would be President. Hmmm, very interesting. At least he wouldn’t lie to us, because he has loose lips.
And DHS, and State Dept, and FBI...
Gunwalker: Issa reveals DEA involvement.,
My admiration for Issa grows by leaps and bounds.
Holder’s a lying sack of shit. He claims he knew nothing of Fast and Furious and yet two DOJ organizations were involved in the operation of it.
My guess is you might want to look at the IRS too.
Ditto on that, this criminal enterprise had many capos and foot soldiers.
Obama and Emmanuel hatched the plan with Valerie Jarret, Holder, Napolitano, Clinton, and Geithner:.
State, HS, DOJ and Treasury are all up in it to their necks, Whtie House too.
Lots of dead bodies and live criminals and guns still running around this one. Its not over by a long shot so to speak.
And I suspect CIA and other spook agencies were willing "stakeholders" in this little caper. Ultimately, it will make Iran/Contra look like small potatoes, run by a bunch of amateurs.
It's just a matter of The One deciding how many of his homies have to be burned before his name comes up.
A lot of people have to think about cutting a deal, or taking the rap for someone else. The ones who sign up early get the best deals.
Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker
In honor of Hillary, here is the real Mexican Hat Dance.
I read that Holder was a judge for five years. How? The dude doesn’t know the truth.
Oh no, poor DemonRats. Now if F&F damages Obummer to the point where he looks incapable of winning a 2nd term, then they have also lost their backup plan with Hillary. Oh no...
Guess we now know why they are assembling their foot soldiers and occupying town centers.
A Clinton involved in criminal activity? Why doesn’t that surprise me?
She set him up. Obama called her man, his man. God knows what that really means, but she was plausibly deniable. She was not in the meetings, just her man was.
Well, remember Hillary is “the smartest woman in the world”. She is very good at what she does.
If she is going for the jugular right now, expect this to all break wide open in the MSM soon. Has Hillary come out and supported the Occupiers yet ?
Here’s to the ‘Enemies Within’ carrying badges taking some major knocks and soon. Collateral damAGe haPPens..
More stuff elsewhere:
Screenshot from DOJ
I wonder how long until NBC-Pravda makes ANY mention of Fast and Furious?
Anybody seen Kevin O'Reilly lately?
State insiders apparently referred to the gunwalking plot as “the Mexican Hat Dance,” and claim the goal of the plot was, as we’ve indicated before, to support the 90-percent lie. With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force.
I agree— question is how much control does the 0 have over the US supreme Court? IMO unless they act to defend the Law as their Oath -and the US Constitution require— then the acts of a Patriot (Mr.Issa) will be moot. I cannot expect the Jacks and Jennies in Congress to act in open revolt against the man they helped put in the WhiteHouse.
Look at John McCain for one.
So, what punishment should be meted out to our Government for these transgressions?
I support mandatory repeal of all gun bans and total elimination of all exemptions for Government in firearms laws.
There must be a settlement with the American Citizens for this wrong doing. We must have reparations for their criminal activity. Repeal of some of the gun laws on the books is a good start. Also outlawing any exemptions in firearms laws is a show of good faith.
I personally want to see all the laws that have enabled BATFE to slide down this road be gone! The Sporting Purpose clause, NFA, MG ban, all importation restrictions, any and all registration schemes, and all technical based laws regarding firearms must go.
Our Government OWES the American people this.
First up: Gunwalker: Issa reveals DEA involvement.
Since you’re suggesting involvement of tax records, may I suggest an examination of the NFA Registry for irregular Form 4 filings which fit thru a narrow hole in 922(o) (the ‘86 MG ban).
To wit: all those F&F items found so far had darned well better be single- or semi-only. If any are NFA, F&F moves to a whole new level of hurt for the perps.
Also, you can tell when he's lying - his hair plugs start vibrating.
if i stole yer lawnmower and it was found in my shed, i think giving it back to you would only be the tip of the iceberg...then the punishment must be carried out to insure that i learned my lesson...
You're making me smile.
Dismantling the ATF is a logical outcome - with the consequence that most enacted regulations become unexecutable and unenforceable, quite possibly leaving SCOTUS little recourse but to overturn NFA, GCA, 922(o), etc.
I sure hope there’s some very smart and connected people on our side preparing to take advantage of this opportunity.
HINT.
That paragraph explains how the logistics of the plot were handled. This is dirty and the end will not be pretty. These people will not go down without a fight.
May they swing by those necks, too. Issa is pulling no punches but damn, those wheels of justice turn frustratingly slow. Subpoenas this week PLEASE! Holder can’t stand in front of the train much longer. He’s going to be a grease spot when this over.
I agree. Cornered rats are very dangerous. They know they might be going to prison after 2013. They will pull out all the stops to try to hijack the narrative into a Hugo Chavez “popular uprising.” It won’t work, obviously, but these morons thought they could keep F&F secret.
” With State and DOJ coming under fire, it seems only a matter of time before evidence comes forth to implicate Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the person that would have been most integral in supporting this plot. Operation Fast and Furious took place in Arizona, where Napolitano had been governor and her former chief of staff, Dennis Burke, was the U.S. attorney theoretically in charge of the multi-agency task force. “
Sheriff Arpaio here, is investigating Holder, Nappy, and Obama, and has openly stated so.
With how far and wide this recipe is going...
This batch of gumbo I think I’m going to pass on...
Busted!!!
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In ANY serious organization there would have been heads rolling many months ago.
But the top guys don’t want to fire themselves do they? And nobody wants to be the fall guy.
That said, it may be possible that Holder is merely incompetent (which is why Clinton had him do the pardons, -—he’s easily fooled) and Napolitano is the real criminal.
“Big Sis Goes to Jail” —future NY Post Headline
“Motherly Matron Stumbles” —future NY Times headline
700 guns. That's enough to arm 2 entire Marine Corps Battalions.
This is life in Federal prison stuff, folks.
Libs just love those short sound bites.
Gunwalker had better be mentioned in the next debate.
The ones who sign up early get the best deals.
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Who do you make a deal with? Not the Justice Department that’s for sure. Can Congress guarantee immunity from prosecution?
It's conceivable that they're all her flying monkeys, and most likely not even cognizant of that fact.
Look at the letter: ..."DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."
Hey!
Does anybody have Napolitano's remarks from April 2nd, 2009 at the in Cuernavaca, Mexico?
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