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Whoa, these Guys are Weak (Call for Action)
10-12-2011 | Parksstp

Posted on 10/12/2011 11:53:56 AM PDT by parksstp

There’s just no other way to put it. These guys all suck. Sure, one of them will probably be able to squeak out a victory over Obama, but what is the point? I thought we’d be okay with multiple conservatives on stage in this debate to choose from, but I never thought I’d see them all capitulate the debate to Romney, the way it went last night. It’s like their all on stage, but they’ve already surrendered to Romney. This is pathetic. Something has got to change.

I suggest a few things: 1 – Someone needs to get Romney’s campaign schedule posted, and ensure Tea Partiers/FReepers show up and ask him the tough questions in the way the Tea Party leaders went after Obama in IA. And like that encounter, they need to get it on tape. They need to specifically break this idea that Romneycare is the only thing holding him back. They need to question him on his positions on climate change, his people meeting with Obama’s people, his scare tactics on social security, and his flip-flopping statements from the past.

2. We had a Tea Party debate, but let’s have a Talk Radio debate, moderated by Rush, Sean, and Levin. Then we’d know for sure that the questions that needed to be asked did get asked. You could have it at Limbaugh’s property in Palm Beach. They can at least push the conservatives to be…well….conservative.

3. I have been preaching this for years (but I don’t have boatloads of cash), but someone needs to provide funding for the construction and development of the Ronald Wilson Reagan School of Political Communication. Build it as an addition to Hillsdale College if you have to. The point is that we need to have some sort of school that preps conservative candidates for maximizing their efforts in getting their messages and ideas out. Then maybe they wouldn’t suck so much on stage by cowardly running from the fight.

As it stands now, in order of most suckiest to least suckiest:

8. Huntsman – Everybody keeps getting annoyed at the fact that everything that comes out of his mouth is a petty shot at Romney or Perry. People might actually pay attention to them more if Huntsman himself were an actual conservative. But he’s to the LEFT of Romney, and that’s pretty freaking hard to do and remain in the Republican Party.

7. Ron Paul – As my “Generic Republican” xtranormal video points out, this guy should be in a mental ward under heavy sedation for his foreign policy luncacy. For the most part, his followers appear to be liberal anarchists and ant-semites. This guy is an embarrassment wherever he goes.

6. Mitt Romney – This guy has more “baggage” on the issues than any of the other candidates, but keeps getting a free pass. What’s more shockingly, he’s getting a free pass from the ACTUAL CONSERVATIVES! This guy sounds more and more like McCain everyday, even though he tried to play anti-McCain in 2008.

5. Rick Perry – WTF? If Rick Perry had had the opportunity to attend the Reagan School of Political Communication, he could have avoided the “heartless” comment and all the pitfalls with HPV and Immigration. This guy is clearly not ready for prime time, and now even today, Rush has started to back off on his enthusiasm of him. Rick Perry looks more like Fred Thompson 2008.

4. Newt Gingrich – It’s not a surprise Newt excels at every debate. In fact, if the Reagan School were to open, he’d probably be on the teaching staff. Yet, his own mouth and proposed “superior” intellect gets the better of him at times. Climate Change? Scoozaflooval? Right-Wing Social Engineering? And for those that think he would make mincemeat of Obama, you might want to look back into previous debates Gingrich as had against Hillary Clinton and John Kerry on various issues. It was NOT the confrontational battle everybody was expecting/hoping. Newt is smart enough to know what has to be done, so it’s puzzling why he takes the opposite approach sometimes.

3. Michele Bachmann – Surely, Bachmann would go after Romney? Nope, she was stuck going after Perry and Cain. It’s clear she’s given up and is fighting for Romney’s VP. If she thinks she’s got a chance at that job, she’d better think again. She could have been in the position to be the beneficiary after Perry’s collapse and Palin’s decision not to run. But she has floundered.

2. Rick Santorum – To his credit, he did take one swipe at Romney in an overall group swipe at the TARP supporters. But other than that, he’s been clean on Romney, praising him for the most part and going after Bachmann, Perry, and Cain. It’s clear that he too is aiming to be Romney’s VP. Why even bother being on the stage?

1. Herman Cain – Surely this guy will take a few swipes at Romney to distance himself? Nope. And Greenspan? Anytime Ron Paul comes across as effectively pwning you , you know you’ve really screwed up. Can’t tell if Cain is angling for Romney’s VP, but it’s obvious he has warmer feelings towards him than Rick Perry.

Dang, I’ll say it again, these guys suck. Let the Palin conspirators come out now. I’m listening. If you’re Sarah Palin, EVERYTHING that needed to happen (and then some) has fallen into place. All she had to do was pull the trigger. She didn’t.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: assclown; assclownposse; cain; childposting; elections; idiotpost; moronpost; palinbotswhining; palinwhoship; perry; romenybotclown; romney; stsarahchoir; whinersposting; zotthisclown
So FReepers, what's the plan? If it's solely about winning, then yeah, one of these guys can be dragged across the finish line kicking and screaming if necessary. But this is pathetic. 40+% of this country is conservative, yet we can't find someone articulate enough to express the basic ideas of conservatism in a clear and coherent manner that appeals to independents without having to water-down the message.
1 posted on 10/12/2011 11:54:04 AM PDT by parksstp
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To: parksstp

The GOP ****in’ sucks, and that is all there is to it.


2 posted on 10/12/2011 11:55:32 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: parksstp

Whoa hoss! Unbunch yer panties.

Last night’s debate was watched by all 500 of us who actually get Bloomberg on cable.

Romney has had 6+ years of presidential campaigning under his belt. But he’ll never poll over 40% (evangelicals will stay home rather than vote for him).

Yes, Cain flubbed the Alan Greenspan question, but that was so inside baseball that only Ron Paul supporters got it.

Perry has proved again that he can’t think on his feet (or butt as was the case last night).

Huntsman’s (price of a pizza) and Bachmann’s (turn it upside down deviltry) jabs against Cain backfired.

Cain will build and build momentum.

Even dumb conservatives like me understand what a delicious sight it would be to see Cain and Dumb0 go head to head in the general. The self-made American black man against the media made half-white, mostly other half Arab Marxist.

Call it UFC 205. Can’t wait.


3 posted on 10/12/2011 12:03:38 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: parksstp

All these years have passed, and nothing has changed...except it is no longer George Washington some of us want to be our King and take care of us; while others want King obama, and still others...?????

The names have changed, and the names of what we choose to call the particular forms of enslavement we think we prefer...but really nothing’s changed—the very reason they can still play us like fiddles, and beat us like drums...

Hilarious, but it hurts if I even attempt to force a chuckle!

Semper Watching!
*****


4 posted on 10/12/2011 12:04:28 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: parksstp

I thought the debate was pretty good — they have the diversity thing pegged (they are not racists, chauvinists, ageists, etc.); they presented good answers, especially Bachmann to the leftist moderator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiLAibwTyaQ&feature=player_embedded
Gingrich had some interesting takes and Perry and Romney was not a blood bath encounter.


5 posted on 10/12/2011 12:06:36 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: parksstp

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again — I look at this field and all I see is weakness. Not the “so-and-so is pretty good on the whole, but has some rough edges” type of weakness, but the “is this the best we can do?” kind of weakness.

I’d be uncomfortable at the thought of most of them being in the Oval Office. And the remaining few teeter close to that uncomfortable line.

I agree with you — I cannot see, based on this lackluster field, why Palin chose to sit it out. She was dominating the race without even being in it, and she should have been able to easily mop up this field of wanna-bes if she had joined the race in earnest.


6 posted on 10/12/2011 12:06:48 PM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: parksstp

I know! Let’s draft Fred Thompson!
*ducking*


7 posted on 10/12/2011 12:10:48 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: parksstp

Mitt Romney: More baggage than Delta Airlines loses in a year.


8 posted on 10/12/2011 12:12:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: kevkrom

“I cannot see, based on this lackluster field, why Palin chose to sit it out”
i see a whole host of reasons:
well mostly its because the media did its job and made her look like a fool to the squishy middle that swing elections. she most likely could not get over the core 40% threshold in a general election.
she did herself no favors by having that reality show with a guest star from Kate from Jon and Kate plus 8 on it.
she also did herself no favors by resigning the Governorship looks like a quitter
she is also making a TON of money with speaking fees, book deals and her guest shots on Fox


9 posted on 10/12/2011 12:16:00 PM PDT by DM1
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To: parksstp
Not bad. I think the conservatives don't go after Romney, though, because he's not holding their votes; the other conservatives are. Chris Christie would have gone after Romney. They would have debated whether Obama’s socialized medicine was superior to Mitt's.
10 posted on 10/12/2011 12:16:49 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: kevkrom

When Palin bowed out, she took most of the fizz out of this race. The lackluster field wasn’t so intolerable while we were sitting here hoping she’d be getting in. Now it’s too late to find anyone better than the current lineup.
Perhaps if she had spoken up sooner...but no, the Palinhalers around here insisted she’d speak up “all in good time.”
I don’t say she hasn’t a right to do as she pleases, because she does. But I predicted that if she chose to sit it out, she’d be kingmaker, delivering Romney the nomination. And here he is, coasting confidently ahead of the pack.


11 posted on 10/12/2011 12:20:40 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: parksstp

Wow are you a clueless idiot.


12 posted on 10/12/2011 12:23:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Romney has had 6+ years of presidential campaigning under his belt. But he’ll never poll over 40%

Does he need to? No. He could win the nomination easily with less than that.

13 posted on 10/12/2011 12:23:38 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky; kevkrom; parksstp
No the problem isn't the guys are weak.

The problem is too many Americans are arrogantly ignorant children who confuses their emotional hysteric feelings for wisdom. You people are the sort of weak minded fools who lets the Junk Media tell you what to think.

You are the sort of knee jerk negative whiner who confuses hyperbolic negativity and mindless cynicism for "wisdom". The sort of ignorant clowns who thinks childish sneering at everyone and everything makes you look "smart".

ANY of the these candidates, even that moron Romney, would be a much much better President then 0.

To sleaze them as you people do indicates you have utterly NO clue at all what you are talking about. Obviously taking the time and effort to learn about these candidates, instead or mindless sneering at them, is way beyond your junior high school level intellectual abilities.

14 posted on 10/12/2011 12:28:40 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Lady Lucky

I believe he needs 50+1% of GOP delegate voters to get the nomination... unless my math is terribly wrong.


15 posted on 10/12/2011 12:29:28 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: parksstp
No the problem isn't the guys are weak.

The problem is you are an arrogantly ignorant child who confuses your emotional hysteric ignorance for wisdom. You are the sort of weak minded fool who lets the Junk Media tell you what to think.

You are the sort of knee jerk negative whiner who confuses hyperbolic negativity and mindless cynicism for "wisdom". The sort of ignorant clown who thinks childish sneering at everyone and everything makes you look "smart". ANY of the these candidates would be a much much better President then 0.

To sleaze them as you do indicates you have utterly NO clue at all what you are talking about.

16 posted on 10/12/2011 12:32:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

I have to respectfully (which is more than you did with respect to me) disagree. I look at all of the candidates and am immediately struck by their glaring faults more so than any positive qualities they have.

And “better than Obama” is hardly a standard in any sense of the word. We are rapidly approaching a crisis point that will require someone in office with the ability, will and proven history in fixing problems of that magnitude. Those with the will don’t have the history (and thus, we cannot judge ability, and the situation is too dire to take anyone on the “hope” that they have the ability). Those with the experience don’t have the ability or the will (or both!) to do what needs to be done.

This isn’t knee-jerk or emotional, but a highly rational look at the candidates. We need another Ronald Reagan. We’re going to be stuck with another GWHB/Dole/McCain if nothing drastic changes.


17 posted on 10/12/2011 12:36:18 PM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: chris37

Yep.

Move on. It’s over.

Start preparing yourself now for some dark days ahead until 2016, which may be too late anyway. :(


18 posted on 10/12/2011 12:40:58 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Blind Eye Jones

” I thought the debate was pretty good — they have the diversity thing pegged (they are not racists, chauvinists, ageists, etc.); they presented good answers, especially Bachmann to the leftist moderator...”

I thought the entire field, except for Huntsman, comported themselves very well last night and laid out a fine case for conservative Republicans and for conservative principles they defended superbly. Bachman was excellent, Newt was the laser intellect as always, Cain exudes confidence, Santorum was passionate and prickly, Paul is a delight and you hear a pin drop when he speaks so bluntly, Perry came with his issues and record, Romney was the socialist defending conservativism /s. But it was the very best debate so far on substance. We’ve got substance.


19 posted on 10/12/2011 12:42:17 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

He can arrive at the convention with fewer delegates than needed, and wrestle them out of the competition in under an hour. You have to know that. Do you think a tyro like Cain could stop him? What if the primaries result in, roughly, 40-20-15-15-10? He could take that majority he needs, with a phone call.
I do not understand how anyone here cannot read the writing on the wall.


20 posted on 10/12/2011 1:01:57 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

21 posted on 10/12/2011 1:09:31 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: MNJohnnie

Though I’m unfamiliar with your style, I suspect your post is not meant to be humorous or ironic; rather it appears to be fresh-tossed monkey poo.
You sound childish, arrogant and hysterical as you claim other people are...arrogant, hysterical children.
Get some help with the anger management and keep me out of your recipient list thank you.


22 posted on 10/12/2011 1:18:09 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: KeyLargo

The GOP has nothing to offer now, and it will have nothing to offer in 2016.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t see America making it to 2016.


23 posted on 10/12/2011 1:23:51 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Lady Lucky

There won’t be 5 candidates by, at the latest, mid-February (with all the state delegations moving up their primaries/caucuses). Then any pledged delegates are free to vote for whomever.

I’ve tried to come up a succinct table/post, but the system is so convoluted that it’s almost impossible. Here’s a small bet:

Cain wins Iowa (after all, Huckabee won Iowa in 2008).
Romney wins New Hampshire (close to MA).
Cain squeaks out a victory in Florida and goes on to take most of the South (Huckabee won IA, KS, TN, GA, WV, AL, AR - we can expect the Southerner and social conservative Cain to do as well).

Once Perry drops out, expect TX to go to Cain.

Not an easy path for Cain, but no reason to hold our heads just yet.


24 posted on 10/12/2011 1:24:16 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Fine. I’ll go bake some gingerbread cookies for him. You can milk old Bossy.


25 posted on 10/12/2011 1:28:28 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky
New poll puts Cain at 30% nationally:

Here

Let's look at where the votes from your chart go when people start dropping out:

Bachmann -> Cain (+4.8%)
Huntsman -> Romney (+1.2%)
Perry -> Cain(+14.7%)
Santorum -> Cain (+2.3%)
Gingrich -> Split (+3.6% each)
Paul -> Stay Home or Stay in the race

New Totals:
Romney -> 26.5%
Cain -> 41.7%


And that doesn't take into account the latest poll linked above.

26 posted on 10/12/2011 1:33:17 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Lady Lucky

I used to milk “Valentine” until she ended up in the deep freezer one day. Can’t say that I missed churning butter, and the steaks were delish!


27 posted on 10/12/2011 1:35:39 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: parksstp

You are 100000000000000000000000000000000% right.

And our only shot was IF Palin was actually willing and capable. Turns out not. Thus, the answer to your question, and it is not a pretty answer, is we will nominate Romney and he will lose and Obama will have his mandate to keep Obama Care and continue to transform America and the spineless leadership in the Congress, no matter how many new Freshmen enter, will NOT stop him.

Now, you have been warned. Prepare your families and lives and business accordingly.


28 posted on 10/12/2011 2:01:52 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: parksstp
I always wonder why people make such important decisions based on a few orchestrated debates. Smooth speakers don't great Presidents make. If seems so much easier to look at the candidates records and what they have done with the jobs they currently hold. I have a family member that could sell the proverbial ice to people of the far North, but don't expect any follow thru from her! You'll be forever disappointed.
29 posted on 10/12/2011 4:18:50 PM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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