Skip to comments.The Old Right/New Left/Neo-Nazi Alliance
Posted on 10/15/2011 11:34:22 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama
How much difference is there, really, between the far-Left, the far-Right, and overt white supremacists? How do the public stances of Michael Moore, Pat Buchanan, and David Duke compare? Proponents of both extreme views now think and sound so much alike, they sound like soulmates. Somehow these fringe characters have moved so far around the edges that they have arrived at the same territory, spouting identical positions in copycat rhetoric on such issues as Iraq, the broader War on Terror, and the Jewish state of Israel.
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Note: I disagree with the author's use of the term "far-right" in the article. It's best to describe the views of Lew Rockwell, and Pat Buchanan as leftist. (Why else do think Pat Buchanan is on PMSNBC ?)
That’s what happens when you don’t denazify the enemy and let him go underground (denazification stopped in 1947 abruptly and was never resumed). They’re all over the place now, just wearing different masks.
Maybe the best measure of leftism is whether or not a person supports Israel.
Occupy Wall St....Ron Paul’s supporters....All sounding like the Nazis before the Seizure of Power....
Not at all. The best measure of leftism is sounding like a leftist, which Lew Rockwell, Pat Buchanan, and Ron Paul do on a consistent basis.
Something to think about, though.
The Nazi movement was never far right. The racism was a community organizing technique, no different from the Black Power movement. I don’t think that anyone would presume to refer to the Black power movement as far right.
I don’t think Pat is a leftist. He is a strong Catholic and does still hold some Conservative views. I would classify him as more a Populist, which really isn’t anything to be proud about.
One of the differences is that David Duke is a kook in our eyes, while Michael Moore is a hero in their’s. The moral equivalency comparison between the “far right” and the “far left” doesn’t jive. Their nuts are a lot more destructive, dangerous, and popular than our nuts are.
Pitchfork Pat stated years ago that the left and right were natural allies. Thanks Absolutely Nobama.
The “far-Right” is pro-white racist. The “far-Left” is anti-white racist Where they meet is racism — and they both hate Jews.
-—The far-Right is pro-white racist.-—
No it’s not. It’s pro small government.
In my humble opinion, leftism and populism go hand in hand. Some of the worst atrocities in world history were done in the name of the “working man”, AKA the “proletariat”. (The French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, Nazi Germany, Chairman Mao.....)
Do I expect to see Pitchfork Pat in a Che T-shirt any time soon ? No. I just find that it telling that Pukechanan and Lew Rockwell hold the some of the same views as the far-left and support RuPaul who happens to be running for the Republican nomination.
In case you haven’t noticed, I’m not a Ron Paul fan.
The Nazis were never far right, but they were racist. Their racism was used as a community organizing technique.
Socialists (actually fascists ) cannot be far right and far left at the same time.
Please see my disclaimer at #1.
I agree with you on that.
To shamelessly rip off Greg Gutfeld: Enjoy, enjoyers!
To shamelessly rip off Greg Gutfeld: Enjoy, enjoyers!
David Kook was a lifelong Democrat who happened to notice that the Dem primary was crowded and there weren’t any Republicans in that particular US House race.
Somehow he will always be called a “Republican” by the MSM
The truth MUST be told about Ron Paul before his stupidity sinks us in 2012.
While the MSM pretends Robert Byrd never existed....
You are probably right about Buchanan anymore. Some of his observations recently really make me cringe. I just have a hard time as a former member of the Buchanan Brigade 20 years ago putting him in the same camp as that creep Rockwell and Rothbard. He is a lot closer to them now than he used to be, which isn’t a good thing either.
Ron Paul is never going to be a major force within the GOP, he is barely a RINO. He is a liberaltarian at heart and will not change.
Is this Lew Rockwell any relation to the Rockwell who made nazi cartoons in the 1960’s?
The problem here is that the term “right” just doesn’t apply in America, and never has.
The terms right-wing and left-wing go all the way back to the French Revolution. Leftists were opponents of the Old Regime and ardent supporters of Voltaire and Rousseau. Rightists were supporters of the Old Regime of Crown and Church.
These distinctions, with considerable evolution, have continued to this day in European politics. The Nazis were a perverted blend of leftist and rightist ideologies, so it isn’t really accurate to call them either one.
The problem is that America has never had a Right that had anything in common with the European Right. Crown and Church, blood and soil just never made it across the Atlantic. Closest we came, IMO, were the secessionists and Jim Crow boys.
In today’s world, the American Right means dedication to the principles of the American Revolution, which was essentially those of the English Whigs. An updated “aristocratic freedom,” with more and more people over time counted among the aristocrats who had a right to freedom.
There was no equivalent of this ideology in the French Revolution, as the Crown had utterly destroyed the French version in the previous two centuries. Therefore “Right” is a term with no meaning in the American context.
American leftists, of course, abandoned anything peculiarly American over 100 years ago and have since been wannabees of European leftism.
I feel the same way. I’ve enjoyed some of Pitchfork Pat’s books. I’m certainly not ashamed to admit that. But he lost me with all of that “American Empire” stuff. He also lost me with his continued employment at PMSNBC when he knows full well what goes on there.
There was also his run for president in 2000, where he had a lib commie activist as his VP.
Not that I’m aware of.
That's not actually true, but it's repeated so often, people just assume it's a fact.
"Left" and "Right" are meaningless. They originally just referred to which side of the House of Commons the Whigs (left) and Tories (right) sat on from the perspective of the Speaker. The Whigs were "liberal" in the classic sense (what we now call Conservative and Libertarian) and the Tories were "conservative" in that they had no intention of losing centuries of British class privilege to a bunch of peasants or a pack of barely literate knuckle dragging colonists in the American wilderness.
Liberal now is what used to be called Fabian Socialist and Conservative what used to be called "Liberal". It's an endless shell game intended to make Socialists (and other Statists) sound like they believe in liberty and people who actually believe in individual liberty sound like they want to go back to the days of yore (Democratic Party supported slavery and National Socialist Workers' Party "Heil Hitler" salutes).
But try explaining all this to someone with a typical modern public school education, or even worse, a Urinalist.
“The problem here is that the term ‘right’ just doesnt apply in America, and never has.”
That is an interesting theory. Check out my disclaimer at #1.
You’re right. I stand corrected. But Buchanan did ask Jimmy Hoffa Jr. and James Traficant to be his VP first.
“Ron Paul is never going to be a major force within the GOP...”
I have every intention of keeping that way. The MSM will think nothing of placing his kooks in the Tea Party to sink the Republican nominee. If that happens, the country is doomed.
LOL. I forgot about that nit wittery. Geez. Pat is really off his meds anymore.
My problem with Buchanan is my feeling, echoed by Buchanan in some of his public speeches, is that if you’re not white and from northern Europe, you’re not a real American. That really turned me off. Sure, a lot of his other statements concerning a variety of subjects really irritated me, but I really resent the idea that only a certain ethnic group represents real Americans. An American is not denoted by being a member of a certain ethnic group, but by adherence to the ideals exemplied in the Declaration of Independence and the constitution. Even W. F. Buckley considered Buchanan anti-Semitic.
Also you gotta be non-Jewish. Plenty of white Jews from northern Europe.
An American is not denoted by being a member of a certain ethnic group, but by adherence to the ideals exemplied in the Declaration of Independence and the constitution.
Conversely, a white natural-born citizen of northern European ancestry who doesn't adhere to these principles isn't a "real American."
Buchanan being a good example. Tom Sowell and Clarence Thomas are much better Americans than he is.
Justice Thomas and Thomas Sowell are two of the most brilliant minds in American history.
Pat Pukechanan will NOT be remembered by history at all.
No the liberals of today are not Fabian socialists. Oh, maybe a few are, but they are just the uninformed dupes. Most of the liberals of today are actually communists, that refer to themselves as progressives. The Fabian socialists went out with Trotsky. The Fabian style liberals are basically just harmless dupes.
I actually had an ancestor who lived in one of those Fabian style communes that were built in the US. I think it was in Tennessee. He was lucky because being one of the earliest settlers at the commune, he was given the job of post master. So when the commune failed, he still had a job.
So, while the left and right might have shifted leftward in the US, especially since we never had a true aristocracy, the shift in Europe was less dramatic. Conservatives or the European right were still for maintenance of the aristocracy, not just the status quo. No one can say that the Nazis wanted a return to the aristocracy.
As a matter of fact, what the Nazis wanted was complete control of the banks and they, like many of the Occupy Wall Street people, identified the Jews with the banks and the Jews were a very handy community organizing tool.
I can. In fact, that was the basis of their entire ideology.
The Aryans in general, and the Germans in particular, were to constitute a racial aristocracy over the rest of humanity.
You are quite correct that they weren't in favor of a return to power of the decayed German princes and aristocrats. Though, interestingly, an unusually high percentage of those princes and aristocrats were enthusiastic Nazis.
They were useful to Hitler, but Hitler despised them, and once the Jews were done away with, they were next on his list.
Probably the only thing I ever agree with Molly Ivins about was when she made the crack about a member of Buchanan’s family dying during WWII when he fell out of a concentration camp guard tower. I remember Buchanan’s hideous speech at the 1992 Republican convention. That speech cost the Pubbies a lot of votes. I’m glad he’s out of the Republican Party, and I’m only sorry other people give him a thoroughly undeserved voice on their radio programs.
What makes neo-Nazis far right if Nazis were never on the right to begin with?
NO, they weren’t. The European aristocracy was a hereditary aristocracy. Sure, you had your occasional usurper, but those also wanted a hereditary aristocracy, just a different line.
No one can say that the Germans wanted to return to a hereditary aristocracy. What the Germans wanted was very similar to what the leftists in this country want, an elite governing group that regulates and orders every aspect of society. The Germans used nationalism as their unifying factor. The anti-Jewish campaign wasn’t exactly racial, since Jews are not a race. It was anti-Jewish, but it was also anti-socialist (Fabian style socialism) because the socialists were opposed to the statist element of the Nazis. The European socialists were still the old style that believed in communal ownership and self rule. The Nazis were fascist statists.
“My problem with Buchanan is my feeling, echoed by Buchanan in some of his public speeches, is that if youre not white and from northern Europe, youre not a real American.”
A fun way to annoy Patricia’s few remaining followers is to remind them that most folks of “northern European” descent can’t trace their family back to the Founding (not that it matters) while most Americans of African descent can. (Truthfully, that doesn’t matter either.)
I don’t care where your family’s from nor do I care about the color of your skin. I only care if believe in our country’s Founding Principles, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. (In other words, if you’re an ignorant lib-—Look out!)
I’m not saying that everyone should sit around and sing Kumbaya. I’m saying everyone should sit around and sing “God Bless America”. I don’t believe in multiculturalism, I believe in everyone becoming Americans. I don’t think ANY culture is equal to American culture.
I now step off of my soap box.
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