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A Survival Q & A: Living Through SHTF In the Middle of A War Zone
Prudence Not Paranoia ^ | 11/9/11 | RKnecht

Posted on 11/09/2011 5:24:32 PM PST by Kartographer

Several readers alerted us to a forum thread at Survivalist Boards that centered around an individual named Selco who spent several years in a city setting during the complete collapse of Bosnia circa 1992. Selco describes the experiences and the survival strategies that he, his family and his community used to stay alive. Many forum members chimed in on the conversation and asked questions of Selco, who took the time to provide vivid details to an interested survival community.

The following compendium of the most popular questions and answers from the forum thread has been provided by Chris Kitze of well known alternative media web site Before It’s News. It’s a long read, but well worth your time.

(Excerpt) Read more at prudence-not-paranoia.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: bosnia; culture; equivocation; false; getreadyhereitcomes; preparedness; prepperping; preppers; selfreliance; shtf; survivalping
Selco posts is highly informative and filled with real firsthand SHFT information. I urge you to read it and act on the information he has provided.
1 posted on 11/09/2011 5:24:34 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers Ping!


2 posted on 11/09/2011 5:25:32 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: sauropod

read


3 posted on 11/09/2011 5:27:12 PM PST by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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To: Kartographer

marked,thanks


4 posted on 11/09/2011 5:27:46 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Kartographer

One of the response I see posted to preparedness threads is, well if it’s God’s will and he has called forth the Apocalypse all your prepping won’t do you a bit of of good, well to that I say DUH!

I am very aware that if it’s the great end that there is nothing I can do to stop or change it, but history is full of instances and times when man or nature have caused such a calamity that people have cried out and begged God to end it all.

The bible has many verse such as this:

A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

This verse and others are there for a reason and I urge all to take heed of them, because we are clearly on the edge. Everyday there is a new story about the ‘Yutes’ who grow more restless everyday and when you add the fact that because of the economy people are already on edge it won’t take much to set things off.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Today we have ‘yutes’ who roam our streets who are with out morals, without respect for law or life itself. They will look are you with the same ‘doll eyes’ a shark does before he eats you and they will feel no more compassion than the shark does.

That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

If you like to read more about what SHTF in Bosnia was like take a look at this post on Bosnia War Survivor Selco’s Blog at:

http://shtfschool.com/

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”


5 posted on 11/09/2011 5:36:59 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This was posted a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t sleep very well after reading this man’s very dramatic and scary war time account. I am not prepaired for SHTF.


6 posted on 11/09/2011 5:40:55 PM PST by Crooked Constituent
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To: Kartographer

Bumping the thread!


7 posted on 11/09/2011 5:45:58 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (I stand with Mr. Cain!)
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To: Kartographer

Great post. Utterly fascinating!


8 posted on 11/09/2011 5:49:31 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Crooked Constituent
"I am not prepaired for SHTF. "

You better get ready.

The Coming Paradigm Shift Will “Result in Riots, Starvation and Bloodshed”

9 posted on 11/09/2011 5:54:27 PM PST by blam
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To: Kartographer

Thanks.


10 posted on 11/09/2011 6:28:42 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: Kartographer

will read


11 posted on 11/09/2011 6:29:05 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: Crooked Constituent

No one is ever fully prepared. You just do what you can and hope and pray.

You are right though I think the thing that struck me the most about Selco’s story as how he talked about how normal things were right up to SHTF and then things went down hill so very very fast.


12 posted on 11/09/2011 7:49:46 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Antibiotics. How does one stock up on those whithout prescriptions? Or is he referring to Neosporin?


13 posted on 11/09/2011 10:01:17 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (CAIN/WEST 2012 - Because two bros are better than THE 0NE!)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Many people are recommending veterinary supply houses.


14 posted on 11/09/2011 10:06:41 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

ah, thank you.


15 posted on 11/09/2011 10:21:10 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (CAIN/WEST 2012 - Because two bros are better than THE 0NE!)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

survivalblog.com has a bunch of medical information. Survivalmom also has some articles.


16 posted on 11/10/2011 6:37:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

survivalblog.com has a bunch of medical information. Survivalmom also has some articles.


17 posted on 11/10/2011 6:38:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer
history is full of instances and times when man or nature have caused such a calamity that people have cried out and begged God to end it all.

I'm always reminded of that old joke about the guy on top of his house during a flood and asks God to help him. A boat comes by but he refuses saying God will provide. Then A helicopter comes but again he refuses help saying God will provide. He dies and angrily asks God why didn't He help. God replies that He sent a boat and a helicopter.

18 posted on 11/10/2011 9:06:03 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: driftdiver
Where does one buy bags of bulk dried beans? I saw at Costco that you can buy a 41 pound bucket of Pinto Beans but it is $50.00.
19 posted on 11/10/2011 6:09:50 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

It depends where you live. Bulk items such as beans and wheat are difficult for some of us to obtain.

Here in Tampa there are places which sell bulk beans but Costco is about the cheapest. You can also get crappy bulk rice at Costco (or Sams). Oriental markets sell bulk rice of higher quality.

If you live on the western part of the US you can order wheat and have it shipped fairly cheaply. Here on the east coast it costs $50 for 50lbs of wheat and another $50 for shipping. Except for Honeyville which charges flat rate for your whole shipment.

If you want to buy it already packed for long term storage than you are pretty much stuck paying the hostage rate. I pack my own so I know whats in the bucket.


20 posted on 11/10/2011 6:38:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

50 lbs of Homai rice runs around $25 here. Do prices at Costco vary that much regionally?

I’m trying to find a way to prepare it for long-term storage that doesn’t double the price. Ditto beans, oatmeal, yeast, and flour.


21 posted on 11/11/2011 10:53:56 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Rice is easy, mix in some DE powder and a O2 absorber. then seal. Same for beans.

Oatmeal and flour will only last a couple years but the same method as above can be used. yeast is a living organism, so keep it cool dark place. Even then it only lasts a couple years.


22 posted on 11/11/2011 11:27:26 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It’s the sealing part that I’m wondering about. Some people are talking about using mylar bags inside plastic buckets, which sounds...spendy.


23 posted on 11/11/2011 11:45:08 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I used mylar bags inside recycled plastic buckets. The mylar provides the seal to keep out the oxygen, and the plastic bucket makes it easier to stack and keeps out most insects/rodents. The plastic doesn’t provide anything besides physical protection.

The new buckets are kinda pricy, so I used ones from a bakery.


24 posted on 11/11/2011 1:13:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“The new buckets are kinda pricy, so I used ones from a bakery.”

What kind of dessicant and O2 absorbant do you use?


25 posted on 11/11/2011 11:11:36 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I bought them from Pleasanthill grain. Pretty much the best prices that I’ve found and the quality has always been good.


26 posted on 11/12/2011 4:51:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Bump.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 7:31:55 PM PST by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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