Posted on 11/16/2011 8:44:13 PM PST by Sun
Giuliani took the lead in national polls until December 2007, when he began to fall behind other candidates (snip)
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So don't give up on fighting for your favorite conservative candidate. There's still time!
Rudy was an adulterer lame duck politician with no future.
Then 9/11 happened.
Then he’s a hero. Runs for President. Huge speaker fees.
Right. Anything can happen!
/s
Yeah...then we got mclame and we still lost. The candidates this time around are similarly disappointing.
“Over”???
The first primary hasn’t even been held.
Fer cryin’ out loud people. Let’s just ask the liberal media to appoint our candidate then.
Rudy is right about many things but he isn’t conservative except in NYC. His lawsuits against gunmakers are unforgivable.
Here’s the average poll (RCP) from 4 years ago:
29.1 Giuliani +13.6
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html
Today’s frontrunner(s) is hardly a “done deal,” just as it wasn’t 4 years ago.
KEEP FIGHTING for CONSERVATIVES! We can get rid of the RINOs.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html
“Yeah....and we got McCain. Good for us.”
Let’s not make that mistake again. Let’s not settle.
“we got mclame and we still lost.”
Maybe we lost because we got McCain. Maybe people thought he was the one who could win, and compromised their principles. Maybe some conservatives didn’t fight hard enough.
“The first primary hasn’t even been held.
Fer cryin’ out loud people. Let’s just ask the liberal media to appoint our candidate then.”
EXACTLY! I think you might be the only one who gets the point I’m trying to make (but maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough).
McCain = Newt
Thompson = Cain
I don’t think its too late for anybody....not Rudy, not Christie, and not Rubio....IF they want it....
truthfreedom’s candidate = whom?
She might be able to find some liberal trial lawyer to sue someone, for that whiplash she must have from such a sudden reversal.
Sheesh.
Ann, what in the world? Is she trying to become Karl Rove’s replacement?
Sorry.
What the heck? That post was on another thread?
Excuse me...
Happy to take bets on those who think Cain or Perry will be the nominee. Cain I like. Perry i did before listening to his incredible Inarticulation and bumbling debate performance.
And sorry but Michelle and the rest are statistical margins of error.
I'd take Rudy anyday over Romney....
and I would like all men to be lily white with no sins whatsoever, but lets get real here....we need a leader, not a saint....
lets get ourselves a Leader!
Rubio would be my dream candidate, and probably the dream candidate for most conservatives. The left is already attacking him.
“Happy to take bets ..”
If you didn’t listen to Mark Levin’s Wed. show, you might want to consider this, before you give up on anyone:
“November 16, 2011
Mark talks about what the media’s reaction to Ronald Reagan was in 1980 when he was in the presidential race against Jimmy Carter and how negative it was. They kept saying that there was no way he could win, that he was out of touch - and yet he ended up winning by the largest margin ever”
excerpt http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp
Thompson = Cain
“Excuse me...”
No problem, I’ve done that myself, and you are CORRECT.
“So don’t give up on fighting for your favorite conservative candidate. There’s still time!”
I agree. But 2008 is an unfortunate example. We got the most Rinoreest of RINOS as our candidate.
Mitt 2008 = Mitt 2012
McCain 2008 = Newt 2012
Ron Paul 2008 = Ron Paul 2012
Huckabee 2008 = Bachmann + Santorum 2012
Giuliani 2008 = Perry 2012
F. Thompson 2008 = Cain 2012
You don’t necessarily get the same results every year.
Newt has more terrible divorces, has peaked, or will peak, too early, and is no war hero.
Ron Paul, 4 years ago at this time, was at 3% in the polls, and some recent polls have him as high as 20% (others around 12%). So, he’s ahead of last time.
The tea party didn’t exist 4 years ago. Will they rally behind a candidate they don’t really like that much, or if they’re worried about other factors, if the alternative is Romney?
You can't compare a POS RINO AR Gov with two conservatives. I see no populism or schmaltzy folk-isms from Bachmann or Santorum.
In '08, my most sensible choice in the Primaries was Mittens compared to the other garbage running. There was no Obamacare and McLame was to the left of Mittens in that field. Now Mittens is to the far left of the other candidates like McLame was to those candidates. There are some other questionable calls. Guiliani is a straight up pro choice RINO. Not really a good match up with a God fearing Perry. Also I don't see a match-up for Newt at all. So many things are different, like you point out, that there are few comparisons that can be made.
I’m not saying they’re the same in all respects.
I’m saying that the Huck slot, the socon slot, could be filled by Bachmann and Santorum. They’re both closely affiliated with the Social Conservatives, the Evangelicals. And that’s who Huckabee appealed to.
Giuliani = Perry because - 1) Both were pumped up by the elites for no real apparent reason. 2) Perry endorsed Giuliani in 2008. 3) Perry and Giuliani worked on business deals together.
McCain = Newt because “the most famous one” “the gold watch” “lifetime achievement award”
I worked on Reagan’s campaign in Texas in 1980 so I remember all that quite well. I was basing my comments on my experience in that and subsequent campaigns.
My horse in this race is whoever is going to defeat Obama. At the end of the day, that’s all that matters.
Wouldn’t it be funny if this GOP primary was all a show for the marxist media and the socialist DNC until the last moment when the real candidate steps forward and floors them all, not Rudy, but......................................
Yes, 2008 was bad, but my point is, we shouldn’t base our decision on poll numbers, particularly this early.
“My horse in this race is whoever is going to defeat Obama.”
Many Dems voted for Kerry in the primaries, even though they didn’t like him, because they thought he would win the General. Of course, he did not.
Let’s not make a misake and pick a “moderate” candidate, just because we THINK they can win.
Hope we can all join together in this primary season, and pick the most CONSERVATIVE candidate.
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