Posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:36 PM PST by Kevmo
Ya know, Kevmo, I expected my additions to the flat-earthers list would begin to wane as the evidences continued to favor the e-cat but no, new, strident skeptics continue to chime in with 100% certainty.
There are a few key differences here.
The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory. Rossi is not a scientist, and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.
Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect. They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves. Rossi has been ultra-secretive, has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims, and will not allow others to do those experiments. He could do a lot to silence skeptics simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.
Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.
There are a few key differences here. The theory of plate tectonics was developed by actual scientists who understood the physical basis of the observations they used to develop the theory.
***Pons & Fleishmann were scientists. That didn’t stop others from running them out of town.
Rossi is not a scientist,
***No, he’s just a LENR researcher that folks like you have been naysaying at for over 22 years.
and has not demonstrated that he understands anything of the physical principles he claims to be applying here.
***He’s in the business of selling ecats now. He does not have to demonstrate understanding. Do you understand fire?
Scientists who have developed theories which are slow to be accepted (and there are actually a few examples of that) never try to hide the data; they make it available for anyone to inspect.
***You said yourself that Rossi is not a scientist. Why do you hold him up to a scientific standard rather than a business standard?
They also describe their methods so that other scientists can replicate the experiment and verify the data for themselves.
***The Pons-Fleishmann effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even got started.
Rossi has been ultra-secretive,
***Like a business man hiding a trade secret
has not performed a single experiment that would support his claims,
***Gosh, those multiple demos throughout the year obviously showed nothing, and the reason why we’re here discussing them is because it was so unconvincing to everyone nearby /s
and will not allow others to do those experiments.
***He’ll be sending units to Uppsala and Unibo. Why should he be in a hurry to have his trade secrets revealed?
He could do a lot to silence skeptics
***He seems to have little desire to silence skeptics in any way other than selling units.
simply by doing a few simple experiments and allowing independent researchers to test his device.
***Independent researchers can buy his units, so this is becoming a non-issue.
Anyone can claim to have achieved anything. Without evidence, such claims are meaningless.
***Then why bother even coming onto such a meaningless thread? Your actions do not match up with your words.
I wish I could get them to put their money where their mouth is.
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Nothing amazing about it. He's been warned by moderators here numerous times, as much for attitude & style, as anything else. Now he's trying to triumphantly crow about '2 More' to add to the little conspiracy story which he tacks on as opening comment of each thread he posts.
Kevmo is using that as an opening gambit to deflect critique, apparently trying to create the impression that all doubts about Rossi fit neatly into the "conpiracy theory". As such, it's a bit of a strawman, set up for the purposes of it being convenient to knock down.
These latest additional "2" have left room for reasonable doubt, acknowledging that the testing so far has fallen somewhat short of being exclusively satisfactory.
Since they admit as much, even as they say they "believe" the device works, why try to include them as increased justification for sneering at any whom dare express reservation or doubt, other than the fact that it obviously plays into the defense of Kevmo's own pathology concerning his history of posting here on FR in regard to Rossi's Ecat?
Baiting each thread at the beginning, sneering at those whom have disagreed with him in the past (on other threads) either rightly or wrongly, is indeed rather juvenile.
My own attempts to publicly administer something of a mild spanking to the offender, which you term juvenile itself, & find deliciously ironic, are perhaps not so much childish, as ultimately being a "fools errand". I'll grant you that.
What you may not grasp, is that the freeper going by the handle of "Kevmo", is not my sole intended target, for I have no real hope of getting much of anything through his own thick defense mechanisms, although he may surprise me.
The incessantly repeated behavior, the posture/attitude expressed in his methodology here (for which he has received admonishment for before) is what I'm voicing objection to.
The "conspiracy theory" opening sneer, is just the opening monologue "seagull" crap [which has previously been banned] dressed up in different clothes.
You’re wound up way too tight. Focusing on this minor stuff is prime evidence of that.
Thou wilt fall backward when thou hast more wit.
Romeo and Juliet, 1. 1
How many of Dr. He's count used Rossi's method?
You're posts are minor stuff, but you do try to make up for it with quantity.
This will be my standard post to you that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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This will be my standard post to you that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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He’s been warned by moderators here numerous times, as much for attitude & style, as anything else.
***Um, no. I was warned once. I was told to stop the “seagull nonsense” which was deemed a personal attack, even though it is a very apt description of the behavior we’ve been seeing on these threads. Your whole post is filled with such false characterizations. Maybe you’re the one who should grow up.
If this thing is real, I'll be happy, being wrong won't bother me but when it's proved a fraud, I'm actually worried for you.
I'm sure you think quoting Shakespeare makes people think you're an intellectual, most people probably think, how pompous; get a sense of humor. At least you're not quoting Faulkner, that's a plus.
I’ll let the folks that follow these threads make their own judgment.
***Whenever I do that, one of the members of the seagull brigade says that I have imaginary friends, but they never say that when one of you calls in the lurkers.
Tagline used in the past:
Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself
You appeal to lurkers as if they’ll somehow accept your shilling for a con man in far greater numbers than those who post. People who follow the threads, which includes people who post are different from lurkers who don’t post at all.
This will be my standard post to you that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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... they never say that when one of you calls in the lurkers.
Almost as if on cue....
The present opening comment, is much the same as the offensive seagull nonsense, just all dolled up in drag.
It still offends, while having you posture yourself on TOP.
You may wish to hand-wave it all away with calling my own complaints towards your continued style, as being mis-characterization, but it's not working...
The mis-characterization we should really be talking about, is your own, in trying to identify or label your naysayers argument into being limited to being how you yourself attempt to define them, in your opening comments.
That, is a gross mis-charaterization.
I was willing to allow it to pass (since I know it's near futile to try to speak with you, if the 'sense' includes criticism of yourself or Rossi) but your attempt to add the Swiss was just too much.
You should toss the entire intro, Kevmo. Now is the time.
Prove to myself and others you are not heavily into this thing, defending your own past statements and self image, even in a pathological sense, by dropping the copy/paste intro/opening comment.
Here of late, you've kind-of gone a bridge too far with it.
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