Posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:36 PM PST by Kevmo
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles -------------------------------------------------------------- http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144
Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3347150.ece
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add two particle physicists to the circle of supposed conspirators
It’s still voodoo until it’s been reverse engineered.
It is all about fraud.
It is all about fraud.
***Sure. Add 2 more particle phycisists to the lists of fraudsters /s
Then buy one, and reverse engineer it.
Wanna make sure I got one of the magic ones.
Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.
they spoke of being somewhat convinced, hopeful, but saying things like:
“Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk because it’s such an amazing technology if it works..."
If it would turn out that it does not work, in spite of everything, I would think it is about self-deception. I believe it works..."
“This is a difficult question as it’s Rossi’s responsibility that the product works. We only act as agents..."
So these guys are intrigued enough to put themselves forward as facilitators, but with stated caveats putting all responsibility onto Rossi and potential buyers.
Sure, why not? There's been enough time and water passing under the various bridges since Fleischmann–Pons, that as long as they hold their mouths right, there is only small risk to their own reputations --- with the possibility they may be getting in on the ground floor of a significant discovery.
Just don't try to pawn off onto freepers here this latest action concerning a couple of Swiss physicists, their "interests", and actions to move quickly on building a marketing plan they *might* be able to make some easy money with, as being a ringing endorsement.
Because it's not.
enough to put themselves forward as facilitators
***That’s all anyone else has been saying all along. So add 2 more to the conspiracy.
Just another example of ‘when you dont believe in anything, then you’ll fall for anything’. I’ll bet a grounded belief in God, or even a lack of science education, is missing in this equation.
Splat!
In your (fevered, juvenile) dreams.
Meanwhile, or otherwise, the device just might work.
Now quit pooping (and TROLLING) in your own opening comments. It's infuriating...
But that's the plan, isn't it? It's working like a charm. You win again(!)
Your writing is schizophrenic.
I find it interesting that the only company that has any existence prior to "signing up" with Rossi is the German company that is currently "selling" perpetual motion machines.
If Rossi's gadget actually worked, his partners would be companies like G.E. or Westinghouse (or maybe Google).
How interesting, that after all this time, the discussion is STILL focussed on trying to convince people that Rossi’s device is legitimate.
The PCR technique has revolutionized the biological sciences. Yet, I don’t remember that Kary Mullis spent inordinate amounts of time giving unconvincing demonstrations of his technique, attempting to convince people that PCR is real, and to buy his PCR machines.
Could the big difference here be that Kary Mullis actually had strong scientific evidence, repeatable by anyone with access to lab supplies and equipment—while Rossi has yet to offer ANY scientific evidence, and carefully protects any details that might allow independent verification of his process?
Hmm.
P.S. For the benefit of non-biologists, Kary Mullis won the Nobel Prize for inventing PCR, which is used by life scientists and in clinical laboratories worldwide.
http://patents.justia.com/1997/05674632.html
Of interest. No time to post this myself. Ping to CF list
Subject: Brian Ahearn
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
Excellent link! Thanks!
But you like setting up these types of conversations, don't you?
The device may prove to work --- or it may not. As even mentioned by these Swiss whom you declare here to be "2 more(!)"
Their own qualifying statements (the caveats I mentioned and allude to above) preclude being able to add them to your smug and smirking thesis.
Saying as much is no proof or evidence of schizophrenia.
My own mental state concerning all of this, is besides the point, regardless.
If you, yourself were actually trying to promote rational discussion, leaving your own personal feelings, emotion, and the over-weening need to get back at the skeptics aside, you wouldn't come across as having the maturity level reminiscent of teenage skate punk.
What I'm trying to say is DROP the smug conspiracy thesis. We've seen it over-and-over. Repeating it ad nauseum doesn't plug the holes which have been in it, and have been pointed out to exist in it, from it's inception.
In other words, grow up.
Color me impressed. Hydrofusion is involved now, seriously, hydrofusion? How many people do they employ in England alone let alone globally?
I looked and I found that they employ an incredible amount of people.
From my admittedly hasty research, I've found out how many people they employ:
Here's their website:
Hydrofusion
Here's where they say they are opening a new branch:
New Office!
If they really are building a site in Sweden, or as they say, Opening a New Branch then they think they've got something. Does Sweden allow lay people to access permits, architectural drawings as well as the engineering/architecture drawings from the firm they are going to use? Does Hydrofusion have other branches and where are they located?
They are also using a quote from Tesla. Is it possible to have an appeal to authority beyond the grave..?
It also appears that they thought long and hard about the content to put on their website and besides the pages that canonize Rossi, there's pretty much nothing there. I like this minimalist approach, it's very clean. Dr. Judy Wood could learn a thing or two,
Observe what a ten year old with a copy of Front Page can do:
I apologize for that, your eyes will return to normal in a few minutes.
Please note: Dr. Judy Woods has nothing, no relation to Rossi that I'm aware of. I use her site to show what, in my opinion, is one of the busiest (not traffic, content) and worse looking site around. The Hydrofusion site is a Rembrandt compared to her site.
It also appears, in typical Rossi fashion, he piggybacks on the name of a successful company or technology. Now it won't solve the unemployment strategy but it's a start.
Kevmo, you never responded to this post, granted it was only pinged to WW:
What, no comment, no aves references?
We are getting near the point where we learn whether:
1) Rossi has literally changed the world forever and for good. I'd put that on my C.V. if I were him
2) Rossi has had good intentions but was blinded by test bias where he saw what he was looking for.
3) Rossi deliberately set out to scam people.
While I believe #3 is the answer, to carry out a scam of this magnitude would be as amazing as a working Ecat.
I'm sure when all this settles out, there will be a book about it.
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