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NASA’s Bushnell: BTW LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy
admin on December 2, 2011 — 9 Comments
The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!
Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]
Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]
In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.
Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices
Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories
The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena
SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D
BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy
We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.
From the NASA website
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.
Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].
There are plenty of reasons to doubt Rossi. But there are far fewer reasons to doubt Levi, Kullander, Stremmenos, etc.Even Focardi admits that he doesn't know how Rossi's E-Cats are made or how they work. None of the other scientists you mentioned (nor anyone else) has a clue about what's going on inside and E-Cat. Kullander stated on November 25th that Rossi's E-Cat needs more independent tests to be proven real.
I've read and seen several instances where one of the scientists you've mentioned above has taken a totally unsubstantiated claim from Rossi and treated it as though it were a well-established fact. They are giving him the benefit of the doubt that ought to be reserved for honest researchers, which Rossi certainly is not.
I find it very interesting that the only times there were competent outsiders at tests (NASA and Quantum) that Rossi was apparently unable to get his gadget to work. Maybe he was worried that they would see through his trick.
I'd say he has narcissistic personality disorder.
“Paranoia strikes deep... into your life it will creep.”
Yep Obama and Admin do get credit. Clinton, Bush, et al, never bothered to look into the science - Obama shadow puppets did. White House sings “Four More Years!”
At first we see through a glass darkly.
Johnny - you do grok that Rossi is one of MANY LENR researchers... right? And this review from NASA Chief Scientist Bushnell says it’s basically all true. Unless NASA’s been invaded by ETs?? Green men?? Knights Templar??
Dude, it seems plain you have been shanked by Kevmo and Dr. Bushnell. Why not just admit there’s real science here and if it does what NASA/Bushnell says it can do, it’ll change your world. For the better. Unless you work for and oil company, coal company, or electric utility.
“I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses. “
Me too Kev. NASA, SRI, SPAWAR, NAVY, GRC, ROYAL ACADEMY, MIT, UILLINOIS, UBOLOGNA, DARPA, EPRI, DTRA, etc. etc. = plotting to remake the world.
Johnny - you do grok that Rossi is one of MANY LENR researchers...I don't have an opinion on LENR in general. Maybe there's something to it.
But there is plenty of reasons to suspect Rossi. I've posted numerous references to his criminal history, including several fraud convictions.
He has consistently refused to allow a credible test of his gadget. For example, although he claims to have used and E-Cat to heat his factory for 2 years now, there is no evidence of it, and he has never run a demo longer than a few hours.
He had made ridiculous claims of having "self destruct" devices in his gadget.
He has surrounded himself with people who have been involved with previous energy scams (Sterling Allan, Hank Mills). He has been misleading about his association with the University of Bologna.
Just because there LENR may be legitimate doesn't mean that Rossi is. It is common for scam artists to grab on to whatever technology is new, exciting and poorly understood. I've posted numerous references to previous con men who have done this, including some who were supported by the same people who now support Rossi.
Whether or not LENR is real has nothing to do with whether or not Rossi is a con man. Rossi's history and actions speak for themselves.
Gamow came up with this way back in the 1920s to show how stars burn hydrogen, et al to make light and heat for billions of years.
Then, in the 1930s his thesis was expanded and began being used as a cite to support "laws" (specific relationships that experimentation was proving to be true in all cases).
About 1939 folks in government realized we'd get involved in a world war then looming (and actually starting) so we'd need something pretty serious in terms of new weapons. That's when all the big money started getting aimed at FISSION BOMBS.
From that point on fusion was pretty much abandoned in nuclear energy discussions ~ as far as we know.
I suspect it was not abandoned but simply hidden under a screen of "we got tokamak", "we got inertial containment", "we got this", "we got that".
Now it's coming out ~ a secret too important and advanced to be kept!
There are some other secrets out there. These 1MWh battery systems that've been peddled along with the windmills ~ if you take a look at the latest technology behind them you realize they are now maintaining a 1MWh charge for up to 5.5 hours worth of energy!
That's about 10 TIMES as much as a comparable trailer load of equipment could handle as recently as this time last year. Used to take a parking lot full of boxes to deal with 1MWh, and that was with a lot of wasted energy.
Any time there seems to be a 10 fold improvement in a process you really should look a little harder to see where that improvement is coming from.
So, how do they really do it? And why wasn't that pretty obvious earlier. Interesting that Rossi's 1MWh device looks on the inside almost identical to a recent "towable" 1MWh battery with 5.5 hours worth of power.
Does he actually have a battery? How big is his LENR power Module? Is it really little more than a brass pipe with a couple of wires? Or what about his wristwatch? There's no reason a sufficiently powerful fusion device has to be large, or even hooked up directly to the rest of the system ~ e.g. a battery array that modulates the power output for useful purposes, to wit, heating water.
Or, as some of these guys propose, Rossi's system may be a scam of some kind ~ maybe just a battery ~
In addition to all the other facts that the Rossi fanboys would rather ignore is the fact that NASA reviewed Rossi and his gadget and determined that he failed to demonstrate any excess energy generation.
And neither you nor I really have enough information available to us to figure out what the DOE related folks are up to or what they know.
B) I've been shanked by Kevmo and Bushnell, what the hell does that mean? Kevmo couldn't shank me if I gave him the knife.
I've said if it is real, it will change the world. Now, Mr. Johnny come lately, I don't believe Rossi, I think it's a scam.
Yeah, I work for the energy companies and I'm trying to suppress this technology like I did the 100 MPG carburetor. Come back when you've got something, you know, after you graduate from high school or get your GED.
Here's another 'hero' for you to champion:
I wish I was an expert on every technology known to man.
You might want to take a minute to see who is saying these entities are tied with Rossi. You might find that after all the digging, the term, "Rossi says..." might come up a lot.
Johnny, one need not attend the Goebbles school of propaganda to identify ad hominem attack and circumstantial evidence to discredit an entire field of science. It’s amusingly old school - by 70+ years.
How about you speak to the dozens of good, government paid scientists who confirm LENR and confidence in LENR experiments? Bushnell, McKubre, Focardi, Mills, Miley, Ahern, Levi, Pinarelli, Hegelstein, Josephson, Kullander, etc. Or is rossi-ad hominem your only program?
“He was so narrow minded that if he fell on a pin it would blind him in both eyes” Fred Allen
How about you speak to the dozens of good, government paid scientists who confirm LENR and confidence in LENR experiments? Bushnell, McKubre, Focardi, Mills, Miley, Ahern, Levi, Pinarelli, Hegelstein, Josephson, Kullander, etc. Or is rossi-ad hominem your only program?
“He was so narrow minded that if he fell on a pin it would blind him in both eyes” Fred Allen
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Even Focardi admits that he doesn’t know how Rossi’s E-Cats are made or how they work.
***Feel free to provide evidence for this assertion.
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