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Never Trust Anyone Who Hasnít Been Punched in the Face
Taki's Magazine ^ | September 07, 2011 | Scott Locklin

Posted on 12/14/2011 8:50:39 PM PST by Little Ray

Conservatives like to talk about the causes of Western Civilization’s downfall: feminism, loose morality, drug abuse, Christianity’s decline, reality TV. Blaming civilization’s downfall on lardy hagfish such as Andrea Dworkin is like a doctor diagnosing senility by an old person’s wrinkles. The fact that anyone listened to such a numskull is a symptom, not the cause, of a culture in decline. The cause of civilizational decline is dirt-simple: lack of contact with objective reality. The great banker-journalist (and founder of the original National Review) Walter Bagehot said it well almost 150 years ago:

History is strewn with the wrecks of nations which have gained a little progressiveness at the cost of a great deal of hard manliness, and have thus prepared themselves for destruction as soon as the movements of the world gave a chance for it.

Every great civilization reaches a point of prosperity where it is possible to live your entire life as a pacifist without any serious consequences. Many civilizations have come to the state of devolution represented by modern Berkeley folkways, from wife-swapping to vegetarianism. These ideas don’t come from a hardscrabble existence in contact with nature’s elemental forces; they are the inevitable consequence of being an effete urban twit removed from meaningful contact with reality. The over-civilized will try to portray their decadence as something “highly evolved” and worthy of emulation because it can only exist in the hothouse of highly civilized urban centers, much like influenza epidemics. Somehow these twittering blockheads missed out on what the word “evolution” means. Evolution involves brutal and often violent natural selection, and these people have not been exposed to brutal evolutionary forces any more than a typical urban poodle.

Through human history, vigorous civilizations had various ways of dealing with the unfortunate human tendency toward being a weak ninny. The South Koreans (for my money, the hardest men in Asia today) have brutally tough military training as a rite of passage. I’ve been told that the Soviet system had students picking potatoes during national holidays. The ancient Greeks used competitive sports and constant warfare. The Anglo-American working classes, the last large virtuous group of people left in these countries, use bullying, violent sports, fisticuffs, and hard living.

I think there is a certain worldview that comes from violent experience. It’s something like…manhood. You don’t have to be the world’s greatest badass to be a man, but you have to be willing to throw down when the time is right.

A man who has been in a fight or played violent sports has experienced more of life and manhood than a man who hasn’t. Fisticuffs, wrestling matches, knife fights, violent sport, duels with baseball bats, facing down guns, or getting crushed in the football field—men who have had these experiences are different from men who have not. Men who have trained for or experienced such encounters know about bravery and mental fortitude from firsthand experience. Men who have been tested physically know that inequality is a physical fact. Men who know how to deal out violence know that radical feminism’s tenets—that women and men are equal—are a lie. We know that women are not the same as men: not physically, mentally, or in terms of moral character.

Men who have fought know how difficult it is to stand against the crowd and that civilization is fragile and important. A man who has experienced violence knows that, at its core, civilization is an agreement between men to behave well. That agreement can be broken at any moment; it’s part of manhood to be ready when it is. Men who have been in fights know about something that is rarely spoken of without snickering these days: honor. Men who have been in fights know that, on some level, words are just words: At some point, words must be backed up by deeds.

Above all, men who have been in fights know that there is nothing good or noble about being a victim. This is a concept the modern “conservative movement,” mostly run by wimps, has lost, probably irrevocably. They’re forever tugging at my heartstrings, from No Child Left Behind to Israel’s plight to MLK’s wonders to whining that the media doesn’t play fair to the overwrought emotional appeals they use to justify dropping bombs on Muslims. The Republicans are even taking seriously a pure victim-candidate: Michelle Bachman. As far as can be told, she’s a middle-American Barack Obama with boobs and a slightly loopier world view.

Modern “civilized” males don’t get in fistfights. They don’t play violent sports. They play video games and, at best, watch TV sports. Modern males are physical and emotional weaklings. The ideal male isn’t John Wayne or James Bond or Jimmy Stewart anymore. It’s some crying tit that goes to a therapist, a sort of agreeable lesbian with a dick who calls the police (whom he hates in theory) when there is trouble. The ideal modern male is the British shrimp who handed his pants over to the looter in south London.

How did we get here? Estrogens in the food supply? Cultural Marxism’s corrosive influence? Small families? Some of the greatest badasses I’ve known had many brothers to fight with growing up. When good men who will fight are all extinct, there is no more civilization. No lantern-jawed viragos are going to save you from the barbarian hordes. No mincing nancy boys with Harvard diplomas will stand up for the common decencies: They’re a social construct, dontcha know. The conservative movement won’t save you: They’re chicken-hearted careerists petrified of offending a victim group.

Teddy Roosevelt, my ideal President, kept a lion and a bear as pets in the White House and took his daily exercise doing jiu-jitsu and boxing. He even lost vision in an eye in a friendly boxing match while he was president. Our last three glorious leaders are men who kept fluffy dogs and went jogging. I don’t trust squirrelly girly-men in any context. When confronted with difficult decisions, they don’t do what’s right or tell the truth—they’ll do what’s easy or politically expedient. Unlike the last three, Teddy Roosevelt never sent men to die in pointless wars, though he was more than happy to go himself or risk his neck wrestling with bears.

I’m no great shakes: I’m a shrimpy egghead in a suit who thinks about math all day. I don’t train for fighting anymore, and my experiences with violence are fairly limited. Nonetheless, I judge people on these sorts of things. When I first meet a man, I don’t care what kind of sheepskins or awards he has on his walls. I don’t care if he is liberal or conservative. I want to know if they have my back in a fight. That’s really the only thing that matters.


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I think Mr. Locklin may have something here.

So, who, in the current crop of candidates, would you trust to get your back?

I'm keep coming up with a complete blank.

1 posted on 12/14/2011 8:50:42 PM PST by Little Ray
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To: Little Ray
i've still got the crooked nose to prove it...
2 posted on 12/14/2011 8:54:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Little Ray

I was raised by a father who’d punch me in the face or head for so much as a look. He taught me and my four brothers to box. I’ve played soccer , I took karate classes and I’ve been cold-cocked with a black-jack but didn’t go down(rule #1 in a street fight: don’t go down), I’ve been in plenty of fistfights. I know what this guys talking about.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 8:56:07 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Little Ray
I don't know, Newt has always been pretty ornery, I think he once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die....or was that Johnny Cash?
4 posted on 12/14/2011 8:59:18 PM PST by dog breath
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To: Little Ray

This goes with my theory on free speech spoken from a barstool. You are free to say anything you want but it may have consequences.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 9:01:10 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: Little Ray

Manly bump.


6 posted on 12/14/2011 9:01:56 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Little Ray

Entertaining, but silly. Real men are tough, but have no need or desire to prove it. Inadequate men feel the need to prove toughness.


7 posted on 12/14/2011 9:02:22 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Little Ray
Teddy may have been a tough guy, but he wasn't a great president, certainly not a conservative one. But most of the GOP presidential candidates have been wimps because many of the establishment types are wimps. I honestly think that is the appeal of Obama to some people that would otherwise not like him - even though he isn't a tough guy in reality, he tries to project that persona with at least some success. He has somehow given the idea that he has street cred when he is in fact a wimpy elitist like most of the folks running the show in DC.
8 posted on 12/14/2011 9:05:36 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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Well, GHW Bush was a naval aviator during WWII, who survived being shot down and was rescued by a US submarine.

GW Bush was a jet fighter pilot who flew what may have been the most dangerous (to the pilots) fighter jet ever put into service by the USAF.

Mark

9 posted on 12/14/2011 9:05:42 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Minn

That may not be the point of the article.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 9:07:33 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Little Ray

“So, who, in the current crop of candidates, would you trust to get your back?

I’m keep coming up with a complete blank.”

Perry. Probably Huntsman - I am assessing the man here, not his policies. Newt if we were attempting the same objective. Could be wrong on any or all.


11 posted on 12/14/2011 9:11:39 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

I admire Teddy in many ways, but the truth is he was basically a Progressive and really sent us down the path leading here.


12 posted on 12/14/2011 9:12:15 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Little Ray
I like this article. It resonates with me.

I recently showed one of my daughters scars on my knuckles from fist fights as a younger man, my wife was so impressed she called in my youngest son (17) to see them too. Neither of them knew about the source of these scars.

I've had a revolver pointed at me at point blank range after I broke up a fight.(cocked, and held by a scared cop too cowardly to stop two thugs who were beating the crap out of a young man. WTF?)

Also had a confrontation with another gun (all these earlier in life...)

Today, I find the same attitude surfacing that I had early as a young man, "Don't Tread On Me". I feel the necessity to stay as physically strong as possible with these perilous times, two young daughters and a beautiful wife to protect and defend.

Thanks for posting the article.

13 posted on 12/14/2011 9:17:31 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: Little Ray
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14 posted on 12/14/2011 9:18:36 PM PST by Track9
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Little Ray.
They're forever tugging at my heartstrings, from No Child Left Behind to Israel's plight to MLK's wonders to whining that the media doesn't play fair to the overwrought emotional appeals they use to justify dropping bombs on Muslims. The Republicans are even taking seriously a pure victim-candidate: Michelle Bachman. As far as can be told, she's a middle-American Barack Obama with boobs and a slightly loopier world view... Teddy Roosevelt, my ideal President, kept a lion and a bear as pets in the White House and took his daily exercise doing jiu-jitsu and boxing. He even lost vision in an eye in a friendly boxing match while he was president. Our last three glorious leaders are men who kept fluffy dogs and went jogging.
TR, his ideal President? TR was the main enabler for the "conservation" movement -- the iron grip on western states' resources by TR's tennis buddies -- despite his "trust buster" reputation. He's the Bully Progressive and founder of the Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party. And not surprisingly, he also handed the election to one of our most dangerous despotic prez, Woodrow "Kept Us Out of War" Wilson -- another Nobel Peace Prize winner.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 9:19:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Little Ray

What’s with the slap at Israel and defense of moslems? Those didn’t fit in with the rest of the article.


16 posted on 12/14/2011 9:20:38 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Little Ray
"I think Mr. Locklin may have something here."

I think Mr. Locklin spent a lot of time needlessly typing away when he could have simply quoted CS Lewis:

“We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.”

― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man


17 posted on 12/14/2011 9:23:00 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Little Ray

Perry. He at least will defend his dog by shooting a coyote...


18 posted on 12/14/2011 9:26:21 PM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

BTT


19 posted on 12/14/2011 9:26:49 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Little Ray

Not that it would give reason to trust me, but I was punched in the face at a fairly young age, right after the State forced busing into my school. The impact came out of nowhere, for no other reason that I gave a friendly wave to someone from the inner city.

In retrospect, while his reaction was totally inappropriate (he was suspended), he probably thought he was being mocked and took action. Standard assumptions taught him to be defensive (or rather offensive).

Ever since, I don’t look strangers in the face, or reach out to them in any way, without reserve. When the fellow walking down the sidewalk with pants drooping half down his ass turns around to stare as I approach from behind in my car, I look away and mutter to myself words that would cause Al Sharpton to take offense.


20 posted on 12/14/2011 9:28:33 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: gettinolder

Well, I’m not a man but I’ve been punched in the face more than once. Once by a man, it was very sad because he and his wife, children and even grandchildren were completely ostrasized afterwards in our small town. One year my husband bought the granddaughter’s 4H lamb as a way of saying “Get over it, we have”. He knew it would get attention because no one would ever bid on her animals and the Buyers Club alway bought them at the starting price. It was very sad because she cried when she thanked him and told him that she knew no one would buy her animals because of her grandparents.

The one I’m proud of was breaking up a fight with 3 women beating up one woman and no one would do anything but watch. (I remember thinking WTF too.) One was on top of her and the other two were kicking her and pulling her hair, it was awful. I went and grabbed the woman on top of her and pulled her off and then her SIL attacked me. She was a big old girl and I weighed 100 lbs tops and the only reason she didn’t obliterate me is I got her in a bear hug and grabbed her hair underneath where it really hurts until my husband came to rescue me. I was shaking in my shoes but I acted tough.

The woman was badly injured and they were afraid she was going to be blind but she recovered and her whole family thought I was her hero. I remember being afraid to talk to the police because I had said some obcenities, LOL, I was young and naive then.


21 posted on 12/14/2011 9:51:28 PM PST by tiki
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To: MarkL

What did he fly, the F-4? F-104?


22 posted on 12/14/2011 10:26:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Little Ray

Here’s the problem living in today’s world.

You can’t look cockeyed at someone before your 2A rights are taken away. Idiotic zero-tolerance policies and now misdemeanors that you get get by shouting at someone can grab your gun rights from under you.

You don’t want to get a record of fighting. THey make examples out of good people that fight for good reasons. The asshole criminals that fight don’t care and they have civil rights groups that care about reducing their sentences. Joe Citizen gets the shaft.


23 posted on 12/14/2011 10:29:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

F-104.

The F-4 wasn’t a particularly dangerous aircraft, being big, heavy, and with lots of wing. The ‘104 on the other hand was an engine with a seat strapped to the front and some extra sheetmetal on the sides to make it look like it had wings. I think even Yeagar was scared to fly it, and he lost the ends of two fingers on one of his altitude record flights in one.


24 posted on 12/14/2011 10:39:40 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
What’s with the slap at Israel and defense of moslems? Those didn’t fit in with the rest of the article.

Agreed. In fact, I think his pointing to "overwrought emotional appeals they use to justify dropping bombs on Muslims" pretty much discredits his entire article, or, at least, discredits the author as being one of the men about which he is speaking. Any man who has had to fight for real knows that when you get hit, you hit back twice as hard or you're going to get hit again. So what more "overwrought emotional appeal" does anyone need to bomb muslims after 9/11? Hell, we're not bombing them enough.
25 posted on 12/14/2011 10:41:27 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Track9
Drape-Hanger in Chief.

First time I heard him read a speech -- (it was back in 2004 I think) -- my overarching thought was, "Whoa -- this guy's a bit light in the loafers. PC Dems are gonna love him"

26 posted on 12/14/2011 10:49:03 PM PST by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Little Ray

What an idiotic statement. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good bar fight as long as I’m bigger and badder than the other guy, but that doesn’t make me smarter. What makes me smarter is stopping fights.

If my idiot brother deliberately spills the beer of a 300 pound bald headed guy sitting at a table all by himself because the guy looks evil, I’ll buy the guy another picture of beer. If my kids, in their 30s, are near blows, I’ll stand between them. One of my kids went to Iraq and was in Force Recon, the other is a natural born fighter.

I was so impressed with Bush’s restraint when he started the Iraq war, how he knew the French, Russians and the United Nations were making money off of the boycott. Yet Bush had the restraint to let it slide. That is leadership.


27 posted on 12/14/2011 11:16:51 PM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: Little Ray
Teddy Roosevelt, my ideal President, kept a lion and a bear as pets in the White House and took his daily exercise doing jiu-jitsu and boxing. He even lost vision in an eye in a friendly boxing match while he was president.

This must be a myth foisted upon a trusting citizenry by the Tea Party or extreme right wingers.

Fortunately, we now have PETA, who would never allow such barbarity and animal abuse in the White House.
Today, the ACLU would probably sue LBJ for picking up his hounds by the ears. And win. Noble animal rights advocates, ya know.

28 posted on 12/14/2011 11:38:09 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Little Ray

Bump! My first fight made me a little man instead of a wimp. My last fight... Well, not so much. But hey, I got home OK!


29 posted on 12/15/2011 12:09:20 AM PST by golux
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To: Little Ray
My first black belt test (I've passed three) was six hours long. I took 300 falls and delivered as many throws. The last bit was a three round sparring match. As I was readying my exhausted, bruised self for this last challenge my teacher's teacher asked if I thought I could win if I got hurt. With more bravado than brains I said " yes". He said, "So you now understand that you can win and still get hurt"

It forms good advice. One doesn't have to be the toughest person, one simply has to be tough enough to hurt ones opponent even if one loses. It's a good way to keep things from coming to a boil if the bully knows he's going to get hurt even if he wins. I also have a degree in literature but bookish men who have never had to successfully sweat their way through three rounds know a bit less about much of classical literature than I do no matter what degree they hold.

30 posted on 12/15/2011 1:26:36 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: Little Ray

Thank you for posting this excellent article. I couldn’t agree more. This article articulates nicely I’ve been observing for a long time (here in Northern California), surrounded by the “civilized” metrosexuals who would be scared to touch an unloaded gun and wouldn’t know what to do with one with a round or a mag... and who would try to hide behind me or run before they’d defend me from some threatening thug.

It also may explain the seemingly illogical attraction to the bad boys instead of the “nice” guys, because a lot of the good guys are 100% wimped out like this article describes and a lot of the bad boys still have some b*lls. Not to go to absolutes; just my observation.

So for the current crop of candidates? With the possible exception of Mitt, they all have more b*lls than 0bama.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 1:35:17 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: gettinolder

Scary about that cop - glad there are men like you out there though! In case that young man didn’t get a chance to thank you, Thank You for doing the right thing.

I hate how things have degraded to the point where proven sick perverts & thugs (Phil Garrido, Larry Singleton & the rapper Tupac and Tookie whatever-his-last-name-was but I doubt he’s resting in any peace immediately come to mind) get released or somehow post-humously sainted. It’s hard to know that the first two got 100% convicted and put behind bars (even though the $0.22 solution would be way more respectful to all involved) AND THEN RELEASED! That is insane!!!

I once heard Tupac described as a “slain civil rights leader” and I’m like, “Dude, wasn’t he a convicted rapist thug gang-banger?!?”


32 posted on 12/15/2011 1:46:47 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: jmacusa
“I’ve been cold-cocked with a black-jack but didn’t go down(rule”

In order to fight successfully you have to be able to fight hurt. There is only ONE way to learn to fight hurt...

33 posted on 12/15/2011 3:15:11 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: tiki

” I was shaking in my shoes but I acted tough.”

Moving forward while shaking in your shoes is BEING tough. It scares the crap out of the people presently in charge of things.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 3:21:57 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Little Ray

35 posted on 12/15/2011 3:41:53 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Minn

But “real men” are not afraid of putting their wellbeing on the line when it counts.


36 posted on 12/15/2011 4:04:59 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yep. Teddy led the way to Wilson, who got us to FDR, who got us LBJ. Between the Social Security from FDR, and Medicaid/Medicare/”War on Poverty” made sure the country would eventually go bankrupt.

But if I have to have Regressive leading the country, I’d rather have a TR than an Obama.


37 posted on 12/15/2011 4:08:11 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That is truly an inspired statement... But then C. S. Lewis was an inspired man.


38 posted on 12/15/2011 4:09:14 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think I understand the slap as Israel. They need to “man up” and just take out the Palis and their neighbors. No pity, no mercy, no more “second chances.”

I don't know why he'd say anything nice about the Muzzies. They hide behind their noncombatants to avoid annihilation.

39 posted on 12/15/2011 4:11:30 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I thought it was the F-102 and F-106, the Convair Deltas.


40 posted on 12/15/2011 4:13:52 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TalBlack; tiki

That is pretty much the definition of courage - moving forward and acting, no matter how scared you really are.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 4:15:50 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Haddit

Never saw much point in a bar fight. Hell, I don’t see much point in bars.
The question is, if the evil looking 300 lb. bald guy starts beating the hell of someone else for no good reason, are you just gonna let him do it?


42 posted on 12/15/2011 4:19:12 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

I’ve long thought that the problem with some people is that they didn’t get beat up in junior high. A good loss at 10 to 12 years old should make everyone more empathetic toward others’ pain and teach humility.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 4:28:13 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Little Ray
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill

English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

44 posted on 12/15/2011 4:30:42 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: hocndoc

If’n I were dictator...

Full contact martial arts training would be taught twice a week in school starting with first grade... you will get your nose bloodied. Including the girls.
For the other days, there would be a military type obstacle course to be run individually and as teams.


45 posted on 12/15/2011 4:42:37 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: fr_freak; Jeff Chandler

Politicians who bend over for mass immigration at home cannot regain their manhood by being tough-guys in the Middle East.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 4:43:22 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Secret Agent Man

>>...What did he fly, the F-4? F-104?...<<

I believe it was the F-104, aka the “Lawn-Dart”.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 5:32:27 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: Little Ray
So, who, in the current crop of candidates, would you trust to get your back?

There are two under discussion that I would trust, and both are/were governors. Perry will personally take decisive physical action, as in shooting to protect his dog. The other is not running, unfortunately. As for perpetual-candidate Romney, he disgusts me in many ways, and he's no better in this arena.

48 posted on 12/15/2011 6:07:53 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Travis McGee; ATLDiver; neverdem; trifona

Ping. This guy misses it on a few items, but gets a lot right on his general theme.


49 posted on 12/15/2011 7:08:44 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jaydee770; Secret Agent Man; Little Pig; Little Ray

Bush flew the F-102 Delta Dagger


50 posted on 12/15/2011 8:07:56 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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