Posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?
Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.
The photo that Fred Nerks just posted below is not of “David” and Mark. Plesae take a look at the photos again with FN’s comments. The older boy in the photo with two boys is not Mark. There is no evidence of any half brother named David other than “Dreams” and Mark’s say-so.
...and one image of a teenager with polynesian features and one black arm, one white arm...sitting in front of a red curtain, whose date of birth/death varies according to the website. But it doesn’t matter, I long ago realized there are people who WANT to see ‘David’ so badly, they will continue to see ‘David’ - that’s how brainwashing works, I guess.
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/7368/recalling-jack-kemps-cameo-dreams-my-father
...A bit of digging reveals that it is pretty tough to find when Obama’s half-brother David Ndesandjo died; some sites put it at 1987...
http://www.barackhobamafoundation.org/Barack-H-Obama-Sr.html
http://www.barackhobamafoundation.org/images/David-Opiyo-Obama_small.jpg
Photo: David Opiyo Obama (1968-1984), son of Barack H. Obama and baby brother of Abon’go Malik Obama.
One of the depressing things about these threads is the know-it-alls who actually know from nothing. You are a case in point. Rawle was cited most recently by THIS Court LAST YEAR. Who cited Rawle? Justice Alito! That's who. Justice Thomas cited him concurring in the same opinion. Got a problem with these guys. Pal?
Here's an excerpt from Alito's opinion:
This understanding persisted in the years immediately following the ratification of the Bill of Rights. In addition to the four States that had adopted Second Amendment analogues before ratification, nine more States adopted state constitutional provisions protecting an individual right to keep and bear arms between 1789 and 1820. Heller, supra, at ___ (slip op., at 27–30). Founding-eralegal commentators confirmed the importance of the right to early Americans. St. George Tucker, for example, described the right to keep and bear arms as “the true palladium of liberty” and explained that prohibitions on the right would place liberty “on the brink of destruction.” 1 Blackstone’s Commentaries, Editor’s App. 300 (S. Tuckered. 1803); see also W. Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States of America, 125–126 (2d ed. 1829) (reprint 2009); 3 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States §1890, p. 746 (1833) (“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered,as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them”).See McDonald v. Chicago, 561 US 2010.
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There is a document - the INS document. It doubtful an INS official would have a “brainfart” on this subject AND put in writing. There are photos showing a Filipino woman clearly associating with BHO Senior.
This does not make her the girl in Seattle. It does not even make her connected with BHOII at this point in any way.
But here is the simple question.
WHO IS SHE AND WHAT WAS HER RELATIONSHIP TO BHO Sr.?
The fact that no name comes forward, no details who she is or what her connection to Obama Senior - though she is clear there around Obama at the time - is another example of facts hiding in plain sight.
I do not see any resemblance between the Asian woman labeled “Anna” with no last name in the student gathering (looks Japanese to me) and the Asian women in the dock picture (more likely Filipino)...a picture which was pretty strongly determined to be a departure picture, IIRC.
At the time of the student gather picture BHO Sr. was banging everything is sight with no signs of a US citizen Filipino wife, according to the student adviser who complained to INS, but that adviser WAS aware of the Kenyan wife.
In Hawaii, you can hardly enter a room without being with an Asian woman. Look at Barry's kindergarten photos for the racial ratio!
Mark says it is and I believe Mark, not pure speculation.
The timeline proposed for the younger child to be Mark and the older to be Barry simply doesn't work.
On this thread there is a picture with a caption saying that David was born in 1968 looking similar to Barry and very similar to the picture Mark says is David.
The timeline proposed in the picture of Sr. and Ruth with two boys for the younger child to be Mark and the older to be Barry simply doesn't work. Sr. and Ruth didn't meet until 1964 and Mark wasn't born until 1965. If the younger child is Mark, as Fred Nerks claims, that child as Mark would have been around two years old, maybe a bit less. That would make the photo a 1967 photo. In 1967 Barry was six years old, far older than “the dark child” and we know that Barry was also a rather light child.
In 1967 Barry was extensively documented to be in Indonesia with SADO and there is no documentation of Sr. EVER being in the same location with Barry prior to 1971.
That picture DOES work as a 1969-70 photo of Sr. with Ruth, Mark aged 4-5, and David aged 2-3.
That’s a very interesting little article by Jim Geraghty. What better cover for the lies in DFMF than to have the disclaimer that anything in there could be made up! It’s so obvious that the entire book is a backstory - a fake life - made up - with a few little nuggets of fact thrown in merely for leavening.
Trusting anything in that book without other solid verification is worse than foolish. And using Mark’s say-so alone is just as foolish.
The real question in my mind is why do you believe Mark?
No one is saying the dark child is the guy in the White House. Is that what you meant?
None of that is correct.
You have two pictures--one, the "family" picture with the darker little boy standing with Ruth and Senior, Ruth holding Mark.
The second, two little boys picture of the darker little boy and zero.
You can distinguish the smaller boy in the two pictures by looking at the chin. Mark has Senior's receding chin; zero does not. The baby Ruth is holding is Mark; the younger in the two boys picture is zero. There is another baby picture of Ruth holding Mark which makes the image in the family picture clearer.
The darker little boy in both pictures is Barack H. Obama II--just pull up a current picture of BHOII and look at him.
None of this is brain surgery.
David never existed as a separate real person. David was a name they used for BHOII because they don't want you to understand that zero and BHOII are two separate people. They knew that there were pictures out there of BHOII in the family groups and needed to pin a name and a legend on him.
They also give you a clue--the Swahili name for David--older of twin names. David's real name was BHO II; the name also given to zero.
One of their few material screwups is their failure to have picked and agreed on a date and story for the death of David. Thus you have zero telling Jack Kemp one thing and other people something else; with others talking about still different stories.
The other disconnect which is much more difficult to prove is having BHOII as appearing under that name at a time when zero was somewhere else--at the funeral of Senior in August of 1982 for example.
No worries, Fred.
Its nothing but lies from Axelrod and Obama. They created a myth. A poster name Brigette located. Maybe some have seen this.
http://texomashomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=32911
“One of the depressing things about these threads is the know-it-alls who actually know from nothing. You are a case in point.”
So let me get this straight....your contension is that Rawle’s definition of NBC trumps the USSC decision in Minor v Happersett that defined NBC because he (Rawle) was quoted in another USSC opinion about 2nd Amendment Rights last year? Is that it? Uh, OK....LOLOLOL
Again the ad hominum attacks (see above)....Is that all you have other than Non-Sequitor arguements?......maybe you should write a book on making FRiends and Influencing people.
PS I’m not your “pal.” ....and don’t blame your depression on me.
Maybe there’s something wrong with that photo, those feet are gigantic!
Only Ruth is a better living witness to the life of David, and she isn't talking!
IMO there is no evidence (witness, documentary or picture) that trumps Mark's own consistent account and pictures of his own claimed brother.
Is that a big vein bubbling up on the right foot..
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