Posted on 01/17/2012 6:05:04 PM PST by OL Hickory
"When your tour ends," Obama said to those now serving, "when you touch our soil, you will be home in America that is forever here for you, just as you've been there for us. That is my promise." We hope that when the President is made aware of this situation, he will bring these troops that is forever here for them as he states.....
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They are not citizens and served for whatever reason. Sorry this is not any different than those who served to get college money and were disillusioned to find out they would be deployed.
I have no sympathy for the illegal alien amongst us
The Dream Act tries to lump undocumented aliens who attend college or serve in the military as if there was some equivalency. There is none whatsoever. Attending college is not a sacrifice and not a service to our country while serving in the military is a sacrifice and a service to our country. Clearly those attending college deserve no consideration. Those serving in the military honorably that were released and have been here for a period of time and not been convicted of a crime IMHO deserve consideration.
“Foreigners” who do active service in our military should, at a minimum, be given a “green card” (legal resident paper) with no time limit on it, immedidately upon discharge from their service. The military should be proactively involved with immigration in faciliting this action while the person is serving, so that all is ready when they leave.
Forieners have to have permanent resident alien stauts (green card) to get into the military in the first place.
Take Nifter’s citizenship and give it to a vet.
Problem solved! :D
Foreigners who served in the US military used to be considered US citizens.
you are presumptive...thanks I will keep it as a vet
I served with many Filipinos while active in the Navy - many chose to file the paperwork and many chose to finish there service and return home with their pension. They need to file their paperwork just like anyone else. If they messed-up then they can reenlist and do it the second time through, but there are no whiners in the service and they DID know what was required - they are briefed on in-processing that there is no guarantee of citizenship or anything else beyond their contract. Much like the Hessians serving the British in a war long ago. Plenty of people in admin or elsewhere would have been happy to help them fill out the necessary paperwork - especially if they were serving honorably in a combat zone. Don’t put this on the U.S.
They should get citizenship for serving America.
I don’t see how they are ‘illegal immigrants’, when they served abroad and did so honourably, putting their lives up for the nation.
You reward behaviour that you want to see more of, this is just the Obama administration wanting to make sure NO ONE, and that means NO ONE, signs on wanting to become an American.
The way it’s always worked, folks that were willing to fight were granted citizenship. You see this in the first and second world war, folks who were willing to leave their country to assist in the greater war effort were rewarded by the country that benefits.
That sounds like Leah and Rachel. Wasn’t fair then, wasn’t fair now.
Paperwork be damned, they served and served honourably, these are the folks we want in the country.
IIRC, the Romans began giving citizenship to foreigners who served, with dire results.
not entirely true, because we did have agreements in the past that let Philippinos join the military without any legal status outside the military.
But a military id is green for a reason, a military id card is a green card. You are green as long as you are active duty.
I don’t know who Leah or Rachel is, but I had plenty of foreign personnel (mainly Filipino) non-citizens onboard the ships I served. They were limited in the rates they could hold - no classified info, etc so for the navy it was a lot of boatswains, cooks, storeskeeps, etc A number of them served as Personnelmen and were REQUIRED by their rate to know the process to obtain citizenship in order to advance. In fact they usually knew it better than those who already had citizenship because they were helping their country men apply -IF they wanted to (and there were plenty who did not).
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have the chance - in fact - they do have the chance, but they are grown men and women who are responsible for themselves and should be treated as such and not as poor little babies that the gunny or chief has to wipe their - nose.
They are still veterans and unless something has changed they still move up in the line when applying for greencards going forward, but the best way to continue that process is to reup and initiate the process immediately. Then everyone is a winner - the service retains trained personnel, and the enlisted continue a great career for the country they want to adopt as their own.
It’s not the CO or anyone else’s responsibility to go around asking them if they want to get their citizenship - though i normally did ask those I worked with if they needed a recommendation. As I said many choose not to for their own reasons.
Apparently you haven’t read Genesis. ;)
Jacob agreed to be a laborer for 7 to get the hand of the daughter in marriage. He wanted Leah, but the father after 7 years of service, gave him Rachel instead. So Jacob did another 7 years of service so that he could finally get the wife that he really wanted - Leah.
It’s not fair to the servicemen to have them reup to get what is rightfully theirs by their service. They’ve done their time. Sometimes people change their minds and I don’t see why they should be penalized for doing so.
doh - facepalm - sorry my mind was in the political headwaters and I was trying to figure out which commentators were Leah and Rachel.
My verses start in another hour and 1/2 - and I just read Jacob’s 10x wage changes a few days back - no excuse sir!
the key words in your argument are “rightfully earned” - while I don’t wish to withhold citizenship - it was not a part of their contract so while it may be something we feel that they deserve, it was not “rightfully earned” as it was not part of their agreement.
Again I do believe as vets they move up the line, but I just think they should man/woman up to THEIR mistake and accept that they didn’t do what was required to cross that hurdle. Trust me if it was up to me I’d change the contract to make that statement, but they get briefed that it isn’t a gurantee early and often.
The saddest (and only failure) I knew was a fellow that was days away who screwed the pooch and landed in the brig - missed his ceremony and missed his chance. He had in 8 and was planning for a full 20 anyway and later received it, but man his wife tore into him so bad he was begging to go back to the brig.
That's what I thought. What happened to that? They should be.
They are neither housekeeper nor represented by Gloria Alfred.
Bad luck, these veteran were in wrong profession.
Well, I have my sympathies. I earned my degree back in 07. I had actually earned it a year previous but I had to go back and do 2 more courses and then wait the full year for it.
All because they couldn’t agree on what credit to give me for two courses. They fulfilled the requirements, but the professors who taught the courses had passed on, and so weren’t able to give them the syllabi.
I almost felt like going to my professors who had me as a TA and actually filling in for them, to vouch for me!
I spent most of my time fighting the administration. It all got worked out eventually, but by the end of it, I was needless to say, tired of all the nonsense.
Egads.
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