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The greatest threat facing mankind is...
Faith, Reason and Health Blog ^ | 01/22/12 | Various

Posted on 01/22/2012 4:54:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Sunday, January 22, 2012

The greatest threat facing mankind is...

The greatest threat facing mankind is NOT anthropogenic "climate change."

Nor is it anthropogenic environmental damage.

It most certainly is not "overpopulation." Neither is it "peak oil." Nor is it food shortages.

The greatest threat facing mankind is, however, "anthropogenic."


Because the greatest threat facing mankind is the general failure of mankind to reproduce:



Fewer tells a monumental human story, largely ignored, but which promises to starkly change the human condition in the years to come. Never before have birth and fertility rates fallen so far, so fast, so low, for so long, in so many places, so surprisingly. In Fewer, Ben Wattenberg shows how and why this has occurred, and explains what it means for the future. The demographic plunge, he notes, is starkly apparent in the developed nations of Europe and Japan, which will lose about 150 million people in the next half century. Starting from higher levels, but moving with geometric speed, the demographic decline is also apparent in the less developed nations of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Only the United States (so far) has been exempt from the birth dearth, leaving America as more than "the sole super-power." Perhaps it should be called the global "omni-power." These stark demographic changes will affect commerce, the environment, public financing, and geo-politics. Here Wattenberg lists likely winners and losers. In Wattenberg's world of "The New Demography" readers get a look at a topic often chattered about, but rarely understood.


You’ve heard about the Death of the West. But the Muslim world is on the brink of an even greater collapse. WILL WE GO DOWN IN THE IMPLOSION? Thanks to collapsing birthrates, much of Europe is on a path of willed self-extinction. The untold story is that birthrates in Muslim nations are declining faster than anywhere else—at a rate never before documented. Europe, even in its decline, may have the resources to support an aging population, if at a terrible economic and cultural cost. But in the impoverished Islamic world, an aging population means a civilization on the brink of total collapse— something Islamic terrorists know and fear. Muslim decline poses new threats to America, challenges we cannot even understand, much less face effectively, without a wholly new kind of political analysis that explains how desperate peoples and nations behave. In How Civilizations Die, David P. Goldman—author of the celebrated “Spengler” column read by intelligence organizations worldwide—reveals how, almost unnoticed, massive shifts in global power are remaking our future.


Remarkably, most conventional wisdom about the shifting balance of world power virtually ignores one of the most fundamental components of power: population. The studies that do consider international security and demographic trends almost unanimously focus on population growth as a liability. In contrast, the distinguished contributors to this volume—security experts from the Naval War College, the American Enterprise Institute, and other think tanks—contend that demographic decline in key world powers now poses a profound challenge to global stability. The countries at greatest risk are in the developed world, where birthrates are falling and populations are aging. Many have already lost significant human capital, capital that would have helped them innovate and fuel their economy, man their armed forces, and secure a place at the table of world power. By examining the effects of diverging population trends between the United States and Europe and the effects of rapid population aging in Japan, India, and China, this book uncovers increasing tensions within the transatlantic alliance and destabilizing trends in Asian security. Thus, it argues, relative demographic decline may well make the world less, and not more, secure.


Overpopulation has long been a global concern. But between modern medicine and reduced fertility, world population may in fact be shrinking--and is almost certain to do so by the time today's children retire. The troubling implications for our economy and culture include:* The possibility of a fundamentalist revival due to the decline of secular fertility* The threat to the free market as the supply of workers and consumers declines* The eventual collapse of the American health care system as inordinate expenses are incurred by an aging populationPhillip Longman's uncompromisingly sensible solutions fly in the face of traditional ideas. State intervention is necessary, he argues, to combat the effects of an aging population. We must provide incentives for young families, and we cannot close our eyes and hope for the best as an entire generation approaches retirement age.The Empty Cradle changes the terms of one of the most important environmental, economic, and social debates of our day.


The world's population is still growing, thanks to rising longevity. But fertility rates - the average number of children born per woman - are falling nearly everywhere. More and more adults are deciding to have fewer and fewer children. Worldwide, reports the UN, there are 6 million fewer babies and young children today than there were in 1990. By 2015, according to one calculation, there will be 83 million fewer. By 2025, 127 million fewer. By 2050, the world's supply of the youngest children may have plunged by a quarter of a billion, and will amount to less than 5 percent of the human family. The reasons for this birth dearth are many. Among them: As the number of women in the workforce has soared, many have delayed marriage and childbearing, or decided against them altogether. The Sexual Revolution, by making sex readily available without marriage, removed what for many men had been a powerful motive to marry. Skyrocketing rates of divorce have made women less likely to have as many children as in generations past. Years of indoctrination about the perils of "overpopulation" have led many couples to embrace childlessness as a virtue. Result: a dramatic and inexorable aging of society. In the years ahead, the ranks of the elderly are going to swell to unprecedented levels, while the number of young people continues to dwindle. The working-age population will shrink, first in relation to the population of retirees, then in absolute terms. A world without children will be a poorer world - grayer, lonelier, less creative, less confident. Children are a great blessing, but it may take their disappearance for the world to remember why.



Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family (DVD/ Documentary) by Rick Stout

Product Overview One of the most ominous events of modern history is quietly unfolding. Social scientists and economists agree - we are headed toward a demographic winter which threatens to have catastrophic social and economic consequences. The effects will be severe and long lasting and are already becoming manifest in much of Europe.

A groundbreaking film, Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family, reveals in chilling soberness how societies with diminished family influence are now grimly seen as being in social and economic jeopardy.

Demographic Winter draws upon experts from all around the world - demographers, economists, sociologists, psychologists, civic and religious leaders, parliamentarians and diplomats. Together, they reveal the dangers facing society and the world’s economies, dangers far more imminent than global warming and at least as severe. These experts will discuss how:


The “population bomb” not only did not have the predicted consequences, but almost all of the developed countries of the world are now experiencing fertility rates far below replacement levels. Birthrates have fallen so low that even immigration cannot replace declining populations, and this migration is sapping strength from developing countries, the fertility rates for many of which are now falling at a faster pace than did those of the developed countries.

The economies of the world will continue to contract as the “human capital” spoken of by Nobel Prize winning economist Gary Becker, diminishes. The engines of commerce will be strained as the workers of today fail to replace themselves and are burdened by the responsibility to support an aging population.

Government programs will slow-bleed by the decrease in tax dollars received from an ever shrinking work force. The skyrocketing ratio of the old retirees to the young workers will render current-day social security systems completely unable to support the aging population.

Our attempts to modernize through social engineering policies and programs have left children growing up in broken homes, with absentee parents and little exposure to extended family, disconnected from the generations, and these children are experiencing severe psychological, sociological and economic consequences. The intact family’s immeasurable role in the development and prosperity of human societies is crumbling.

The influence of social and economic problems on ever shrinking, increasingly disconnected generations will compound and accelerate the deterioration. Our children and our children’s children will bear the economic and social burden of regenerating the “human capital” that accounts for 80% of wealth in the economy, and they will be ill-equipped to do so.

Is there a “tipping point”, after which the accelerating consequences will make recovery impossible without complete social and economic collapse? Even the experts can’t tell us how far we can go down this road, oblivious to the outcomes, until we reach a point where sliding into the void becomes unpreventable.


Only if the political incorrectness of talking about the natural family within policy circles is overcome will solutions begin to be found. These solutions will necessarily result in policy changes, changes that will support and promote the natural, intact family.

Just as it took the cumulative involvement of activist organizations, policy makers, the business world and the media to create the unintended consequences we are beginning to experience, so it will take the holistic contribution of all of these entities, together with civic and religious organizations, to change the hearts and minds of all of society to bring about a reversal.

It may be too late to avoid some very severe consequences, but with effort we may be able to preclude calamity. Demographic Winter lays out a forthright province of discussion. The warning voices in this film need to be heard before a silent, portentous fall turns into a long, hard winter.



Demography is destiny. But not always in the way we imagine, begins Pearce (When the Rivers Run Dry) in his fascinating analysis of how global population trends have shaped, and been shaped by, political and cultural shifts. He starts with Robert Malthus, whose concept of overpopulation—explicitly of the uneducated and poor classes—and depleted resources influenced two centuries of population and environmental theory, from early eugenicists (including Margaret Sanger) to the British colonial administrators presiding over India and Ireland. Pearce examines the roots of the incipient crash in global population in decades of mass sterilizations and such government interventions as Mao's one child program. Many nations are breeding at less then replacement numbers (including not only the well-publicized crises in Western Europe and Japan, but also Iran, Australia, South Africa, and possibly soon China and India). Highly readable and marked by first-class reportage, Pearce's book also highlights those at the helm of these vastly influential decisions—the families themselves, from working-class English families of the industrial revolution to the young women currently working in the factories of Bangladesh.


What is the impact of demographics on the prospective production of military power and the causes of war? This monograph analyzes this issue by projecting working-age populations through 2050; assessing the influence of demographics on manpower, national income and expenditures, and human capital; and examining how changes in these factors may affect the ability of states to carry out military missions. It also looks at some implications of these changes for other aspects of international security. The authors find that the United States, alone of all the large affluent nations, will continue to see (modest) increases in its working-age population thanks to replacement-level fertility rates and a likely return to vigorous levels of immigration. Meanwhile, the working-age populations of Europe and Japan are slated to fall by as much as 10 to 15 percent by 2030 and as much as 30 to 40 percent by 2050. The United States will thus account for a larger percentage of the population of its Atlantic and Pacific alliances; in other words, the capacity of traditional alliances to multiply U.S. demographic power is likely to decline, perhaps sharply, through 2050. India's working-age population is likely to overtake China's by 2030. The United States, which has 4.7 percent of the world's working-age population, will still have 4.3 percent by 2050, and the current share of global gross domestic product accounted for by the U.S. economy is likely to stay quite high.

And the primary means by which mankind has stopped reproducing are abortifacient hormonal contraceptives and abortion itself.

Martin Luther called the "Sin of Onan" marital sodomy. In the Judeo-Christian and Natural Law tradition, any sex act made deliberately infecund is no better than sodomy.


So in considering the greatest threats facing mankind, one must also consider this:

In Depth Analysis

Crying to Heaven for Vengeance


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The Bible mentions only four sins which cry out to God for vengeance. Considering the source and the emphasis, we have little choice but to examine our consciences on these points. A cursory examination will not do; we must cast off our cultural preconceptions to see beyond the obvious.

Homicide
And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground.” (Gn 4:10) It is hardly suprising that Cain’s murder of Abel provides the first instance of one of these sins that cries out for Divine vengeance. While all sins disrupt the natural order in some way, those enumerated as crying out to God appear to be chosen because they strike at nature’s root.


It is easy to see how murder fits into this category. The unjust termination of the life of another is a profound violation of “how things should be” precisely because our very nature compels us to regard our own lives as precious. To take a person's life is to terminate in another what we instinctively regard as our own highest good.


Sadly, the ease with which we understand the foulness of murder may be conditioned more by our culture than by Divine Revelation. We must take care that we do not find it abhorrent only insofar as we are creatures of society, rather than creatures of God.

Abortion is a case in point.
Sodomy


Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry which has come to me.” (Gn 18:20-21) The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of homosexual activity. So far gone were they in this vice that the men of the town would not even accept heterosexual license with Lot’s daughters, both virgins, as a means of sating their lust (see 19:8-9).


Here we have another case in point for cultural conditioning. It is far more difficult for our contraceptive culture to see how contrary to nature homosexuality is. Those of us who instinctively feel its deep unnaturalness rightly react to homosexual activity with disgust, but logical arguments are unlikely to produce the same reaction in those whose instincts are damaged, blunted or rationalized away.

It is precisely in such situations that Divine Revelation is so very useful, for we cannot trust our feelings when they run counter to reality. We require a better guide. Sodomy strikes at the root of human nature because of its perversion of the procreative impulse, without which the race must die. But in case we don’t see it, God does.

Oppression of Widows and Orphans

“You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. If you do afflict them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry.” (Ex 21-23) There is a deep truth in this passage about the relationships of husbands to wives, and of parents to children, and about how vulnerable wives and children become when their natural protection is removed.


Very probably all of us can see that it would be gravely sinful to take advantage of the weakness and vulnerability of either a widow or an orphan, and we can readily imagine the financial burdens and solicitation of “favors” with which either can be afflicted. It is much easier in every way to abuse a boy or girl who has no father and to intimidate a woman who has no husband.

Once again, however, we must remove our social blinders to see the great evil in our culture which turns so many into widows and orphans in the first place. The grave sin of divorce, by which natural protection is ripped away from women and children, surely tops the list of horrors under this heading.

Cheating Laborers of Their Due


“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brethren or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns; you shall give him his hire on the day he earns it, before the sun goes down (for he is poor, and sets his heart upon it); lest he cry against you to the Lord, and it be a sin in you.” (Dt 24:14-15) Here we come to a principle of sound social order: those in positions of authority and wealth have serious obligations to those who depend on their decisions for their well-being. Fortunately, we live in a very wealthy society.

But does our very wealth cause this sin to appear irrelevant? Free enterprise is an excellent system, but too often it carries the completely unnecessary baggage of a callous attitude toward employees, regarding them as commodities. The social teachings of the Church have attempted to address this concern (without pointing at all toward socialism) for over a century.

Yet the latest trend, at least in the United States, is constant mergers and buyouts which throw hundreds of thousands out of work while enriching an elite few. Even temporary unemployment is both a bank-breaker and a heart-breaker. Working under an abusive or negligent boss can be a living nightmare. And most of us are well-shielded from adults who must work for a minimal wage. The Israelites were urged to remember their days in Egypt, and treat others accordingly.

Together and In Order

All of these sins cry out to God, but the four are not equal. The sequence in the text suggests a hierarchy of value, and it is a tightly linked hierarchy. One sin leads to another, from the gravest to the least, as we make objects out of persons and treat them accordingly, subverting all our natural relationships. For this reason, we cannot assuage our consciences by attending to the fourth sin while ignoring the first, or by claiming virtue on the third and closing our eyes to the second. If these sins cry out to God for vengeance and we still commit them or do nothing to restrict them in others, we mock God to His face. Of course, when we’re wearing our usual cultural blinders, it often appears to us that we can mock God with impunity. But isn’t this something else we know from Revelation—in case we cannot see it for ourselves?

The Obama administration would do well to recall these foundational principles before trying to force the only Church in the world still fighting for the future of humanity, and against this greatest threat to it, to cave in and pay for contraception and abortifacients:


Obama administration is taking a wrong-headed line with the church

Forcing contraception insurance coverage goes too far

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Sunday, January 22 2012, 4:10 AM

Archbishop Timothy Dolan has lambasted the Obama administration for putting health care policy ahead of deeply held moral teachings.

Louis Lanzano/AP

Archbishop Timothy Dolan has lambasted the Obama administration for putting health policy ahead of moral teachings.

Excerpt:


President Obama’s health chief decreed Friday that the Catholic Church must provide its employees with health insurance coverage for contraception, its moral stance against birth control be damned.

Wrong, wrong, high-handedly, obtusely wrong.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius took Obamacare’s philosophy of equal insurance for all to a level of zealotry that reduced a deeply held matter of conscience to a bothersome trifle.

Presumably, the President was fully briefed on a decision of this magnitude. If so, he made a fundamental error that will only add to a sense among many faith-based communities that the White House has a thing against religion.

It was less than two weeks ago that the Supreme Court unanimously and thunderingly scolded the administration for trying to tell churches and church-based organization that the government knew best as to who they could hire and fire.

Because of the church’s size and reach, Sebelius’ ruling will apply most broadly to Catholic organizations, but they apply to affiliates of other religions that bar contraception and sterilization.



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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Idiotic.

A rapidly growing population mostly made up of the very young is the demographic model of third world hell holes - while a replacement rate of reproduction is the model of a healthy Western Republic - and a declining population rate is the hallmark of a moribund socialist state.

A declining population rate is hardly a grave threat to humanity, never has been in the history of humanity - we have always been able to generate the necessary population to cover any available food source.

The greatest threat to any human population has always been, and will continue to be, other human populations.

This is typical of most species - the #1 competition they face for resources, territory, mates, or anything else worth having will almost always be from members of their own species.


81 posted on 01/23/2012 10:49:03 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: newheart
Or they merely have good intentions and are going to Hell.
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“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

Face palm ( slap!) Honestly, don't you know the meaning of this common expression? It is **not** referring to the person with the good intentions going to literal hell.

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Usually, this means hell on earth for the masses of humanity. This earthly hellish existence is often created for the masses by Useful Idiots and those with good intentions.

82 posted on 01/23/2012 11:21:28 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
Face palm ( slap!) Honestly, don't you know the meaning of this common expression? It is **not** referring to the person with the good intentions going to literal hell.

Really? Your interpretation is the only one I have ever seen that did not refer to the person with good intentions (apart from the earliest uses of the phrase before they added "the road" but the meaning was still the same). But then I suppose I am just a product of the godless public school system, so what do I know? ;-)

83 posted on 01/23/2012 11:40:42 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: allmendream
A declining population rate is hardly a grave threat to humanity, never has been in the history of humanity

Please tell us when in the history of humanity a declining population rate has even occurred? Globally, not locally. It has not happened in recorded history.

The Black Plague in Europe? It took a century for mankind to recover economically/socially from that population collapse alone.

You don't know what you're talking about here.

84 posted on 01/23/2012 11:46:24 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: John Valentine
The greatest threat facing mankind is... ISLAM

....and they are not having abortions...rather mutiple wives to continue to populate the nations they are in, for it is by 'their numbers' they will conquer and infilitrate as they have for centuries.

The USA is inviting the trouble they will suffer as they attempt to accomodate this 'political entity' shrouded in a religious farce, kept there to keep their followers in submission and their coffers full of the revenues to pull off their agenda of the Islamification of our country.

Coupled with the ignorance of our churches who are "hell bent" to include them as they make claims to Christianity, totally ignoring the fact this is indeed part and parcel to their agenda of infiltrating the churches...and it's working.

85 posted on 01/23/2012 11:58:06 AM PST by caww
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To: redgolum
Looking at history, this is where the barbarians invade.

Even Biblical history reveals that whenever a nation turns it's back on God, (as the USA has been doing in increments for years now), those nations are always invaded by barbarians, and not necessarily identified as so until it's too late. That is where we are now and headed even moreso under this administration who has an open door policy now in place.... Obamas recent visa changes have ended any hope we have of curtailing the invasion of our country.

86 posted on 01/23/2012 12:06:34 PM PST by caww
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
A plague like the Black Death is not a declining population rate due to lack of births - which is the premise of the article being the greatest threat to mankind.

If the article had posited that a great plague was the greatest threat facing mankind he might have had a better argument.

Thinking humanity will go extinct because people stop reproducing is idiotic.

Massive birth rates with a huge cadre of young people is the model of third world hell holes.

Replacement birth rates is the model of a healthy Republic.

Declining population birth rates are the model of a moribund Socialist nanny state.

Which demographic model do you think best reflects the USA, which Europe, and which Africa?

Now which demographic model do you want us to emulate again?

87 posted on 01/23/2012 12:19:11 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Thinking humanity will go extinct because people stop reproducing is idiotic.

You obviously didn't read the article in the original post.

The original post -- and subsequent articles posted between #46 and #55 -- deals with the drastic economic, social and military implications (discussed in the books linked in the article) that are already occurring and will occur as a result of declining fertility rates.

Again, you stated

"A declining population rate is hardly a grave threat to humanity, never has been in the history of humanity"

Again, I ask you:

When has there EVER been a willing global declining population rate in the history of humanity?

It is happening right now, but it has never happened in recorded history, so how can you possibly say its not a grave threat?!?

The only thing that is comparable in human history is periodic regional declines due to natural disasters, plagues, war etc.

And the inferences from those declines are that these episodes cause drastic economic, social and military implications for those populations.

88 posted on 01/23/2012 12:47:36 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: allmendream
Replacement birth rates is the model of a healthy Republic.

On the contrary, economic growth is closely coupled with population growth.

Above replacement birth rates are a necessity for economic growth.

Replacement birth rates lead to economic stagnation.

Below replacement birth rates lead to economic contraction.

Read up on demographics and their effects on economics, then get back to me.

89 posted on 01/23/2012 12:53:06 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
On the contrary, huge birth rates are closely coupled with being an economic political and social basket case. See “Africa”.

Our nations last great decades long economic boom did not correlate to an increased birth rate, but with lower taxes.

Overall the human population of the Earth is increasing. It is not at all declining.

To think the gravest threat to humanity is declining birth rates is delusional.

There was, is and will be a ready supply of humanity ready to fill in the gap of those populations that decline to reproduce at a replacement rate. More a threat to their particular way of life than a threat to “humanity” - but once again that isn't the argument the author is making.

90 posted on 01/23/2012 1:16:22 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
On the contrary, huge birth rates are

Nobody is talking about "huge birth rates."

We're simply talking about birth rates over 2.1.

The west, with the exception of the USA and Israel, is well below that number.

The Third World is rapidly approaching it, far more rapidly than the First World did, despite uninformed doomsayers' protestations to the contrary.

Once the global fertility rate is under 2.1, which will likely happen by 2050, populations will begin declining rapidly as the elderly die off, and life expectancy no longer increases.

There was, is and will be a ready supply of humanity ready to fill in the gap of those populations that decline to reproduce at a replacement rate.

Not if global fertility rates don't stop dropping precipitously. Which is the author's point.

More a threat to their particular way of life than a threat to “humanity” - but once again that isn't the argument the author is making.

I really do not think you grasp the argument the author (me) is making.

91 posted on 01/23/2012 1:32:43 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I AM talking “huge birth rates”, they are not associated with economic growth but with being an economic basket case.

A decline in the huge birth rates of the Third World, to something more rational, is a positive sign, not a sign of impending doom.

For the majority of humanities time on Earth the human population was less than a billion people. From one billion to two billion took more time than from two to three, which took more time than from three billion to four billion, etc, etc.

We are at 7 billion now, and can expect less time to pass before we reach 8 billion than the time it took to go from 6 billion to 7.

You are delusional if you think going down to 6 billion is a more likely scenario or a bigger threat than hitting 8 billion (and growing).

Absolutely delusional.


92 posted on 01/23/2012 1:42:49 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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94 posted on 01/23/2012 2:09:19 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart
*sigh* You're right, you win..

God bless you and your herd!

95 posted on 01/23/2012 6:15:29 PM PST by Chainmail
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To: allmendream
You are delusional if you think going down to 6 billion is a more likely scenario or a bigger threat than hitting 8 billion (and growing).

Absolutely delusional.

You obviously haven't read anything in the original post of this thread, or the articles I directed you to in posts 45 - 55.

I have not said anything like you are asserting here. You are setting up straw men, then claiming these straw men are delusional.

I've never claimed "going down to 6 billion is a more likely scenario ... than hitting 8 billion." You are delusional to claim otherwise.

World population might reach 8 billion before it starts contracting. It might hit 9 billion. We're in uncharted waters, so no one knows for certain where the peak will be.

But following that peak, all demographic indications point to a rapid population contraction.

You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

And you are delusional if you think that rapid population contraction will not have dire economic, social and military implications.


96 posted on 01/23/2012 7:35:03 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
So you think we may well peak at up to 9 billion people before something causes a rapid population contraction?

If so then I would be worried about what was causing the population contraction - because it wasn't and isn't declining birth rates.

Birth rates are and have been sufficient to grow human population to 5 billion awhile ago, 6 billion for the last few years, and now around 7 billion.

Birth rates will be sufficient to grow human population to 8 billion and climbing.

That is a bigger problem than DECLING birth rates.

97 posted on 01/23/2012 8:59:52 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
So you think we may well peak at up to 9 billion people before something causes a rapid population contraction?

If so then I would be worried about what was causing the population contraction - because it wasn't and isn't declining birth rates.

Delusional or not, you certainly haven't been paying any attention to the discussion in this thread.

Fertility rates at or below replacement level will eventually cause decreasing global population numbers as the elderly die off.

Which part of this simple fact don't you grasp?

98 posted on 01/23/2012 9:04:54 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The part I “don't get” is where we have declining population numbers - because we are near 7 billion now - and will probably reach 8 or 9 billion before a population collapse you propose.

If so then the collapse seems to be the RESULT of overpopulation - and proposing people increase their birth rate only accelerates the increase to 8 or 9 billion before your proposed population collapse.

Once you admit the population is going to keep increasing from our near 7 billion now to as much as 9 billion - the specter of declining birth rates is about as scary as a Scooby Doo monster with its mask off.

So once again, because you seem to be from Rio Linda....

An increase from 7 billion to 8 billion and climbing is a lot more likely than Earth's population declining to 6 billion or fewer and declining.

Declining birth rates will not cause a catastrophic decline in human population - but overpopulation well might.

Not only is an increasing human population more likely than a declining human population - based upon the evidence - but it is also more troublesome.

I realize you have a religious angle that clouds reality for you - your bias on this subject is apparently insurmountable by reality.

Good luck sounding the drum against population decline amid this rapidly growing human population of Earth.

99 posted on 01/24/2012 6:48:45 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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Declining birth rates will not cause a catastrophic decline in human population - but overpopulation well might.

Do you actually read the stuff you type before you hit "Post"?

Obviously there is just no reasoning with someone who has drunk the "overpopulation" kool aid...

100 posted on 01/24/2012 6:56:19 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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