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To: DiogenesLamp
"Does this explanation seem reasonable?"

Somewhat. I have seen my fair share of idiocy/incompetence on the part of government employees. A few things still bother, however:

1. Why would HDOH email a copy of the PDF construction to the WH?

2. If this kind of "built" document is a commonplace occurrence rather than a one-time event, you'd think that they would have the process systematized, and we should not see anomalies such as "TXE" and smiley faces in the registrar's stamp in the "document".

3. Why go all the way to Hawaii to physically pick up hard copies of the documents only to not go to the trouble of scanning the physical document?

4. If I'm reading you correctly, why would the PDF file sent by HDOH not have the green crosshatch? If such were the case, where then would WH staff have gotten such a background to add to the image that they were going to put up?

You've mentioned previously that you yourself were adopted and that a birth certificate was "built" for you six years after the fact. Does your "built" bc look like the "Obama" long form, complete with signatures, archaic-looking type and markings and whatnot?

Your theory may lie within the realm of possibility (he11, anything is possible with this guy), but a simpler answer would be that whatever "Obama"'s attorney picked up in Hawaii looks nothing like what was posted on the WH servers, and that the image displayed, even if created in the bowels of the HDOH, was not manufactured as part of an above-board, legal process within the constraints of Hawaii law, but rather in secret, and known to only a few highly trusted individuals. Wasn't it put out last year that a forgery had been created for Barry and inserted into the HDOH records, around February 2011 I believe it was?

I'm with Sheriff Joe: I want to see the original microfiche, serial number matched against other rolls in the same series.

262 posted on 03/03/2012 4:49:27 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

You cannot find on original microfiche what is not there. The state of Hawaii, being a liberal cesspool, has granted little barry bassturd a statement that he was born there. He wasn’t, but the state of Hawaii is so corrupted and the American judicial system so broken and in violation of their oaths to the Constitution that it now doesn’t matter where the lying halfrican commie was born. He is an affirmative action promotion by the sleazy democrat party and feckless Republicans. MOve along, this is no longer a Constitutional Republic under rule of actual law. e are ruled by a federal oligarchy. Barry Dunham is your master.


263 posted on 03/03/2012 4:56:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Somewhat. I have seen my fair share of idiocy/incompetence on the part of government employees. A few things still bother, however:

1. Why would HDOH email a copy of the PDF construction to the WH?

I don't know that they emailed it to the White House, they may have given the attorney a copy of it when he was there, or emailed it to him, and he in turn gave it to the Whitehouse Staff. I'm assuming it was always their intention to post it on the White House web site, so they probably requested it from the get-go.

I will say once again, that NOBODY realized that the file would contain it's construction information. Not the DOH Staff, not the Attorney, not anyone at the White House. I think they only discovered it after people like us made a big deal about it. There are a lot of people who get tripped up from posting photos because they are unaware of the Metafile information contained in them. I think this worked out exactly the same. Everyone handling it was unaware that it would contain this information.

2. If this kind of "built" document is a commonplace occurrence rather than a one-time event, you'd think that they would have the process systematized, and we should not see anomalies such as "TXE" and smiley faces in the registrar's stamp in the "document".

When you are copying and pasting stuff, you might not notice one letter out of place. As for the "X" itself, People have argued that the stamp that originally made that image must have had a bit of fluff on it that picked up some ink, and left that "x" imprint where the "H" is supposed to be. I don't have a better explanation.

3. Why go all the way to Hawaii to physically pick up hard copies of the documents only to not go to the trouble of scanning the physical document?

As I mentioned earlier, I think they ALWAYS intended to put an electronic copy on the White House Website. They may have specifically requested one. The DOH staff gave them the one they had created, not realizing that it contained the evidence of it's creation.

Think about this. If the document *IS* a replacement birth certificate after a previous adoption was annulled or modified, the Lawyer Handling the case may have been sent a copy for his approval. (In other words, to make sure they were correctly complying with what he requested from the Judge, and therefore what the Judge had ordered them to do.)

Another point I have mentioned before is Who else would have access to a data base with the sort of information necessary to put this thing together? Who else would have copies of the Dr's signature, and Stanley Ann's Signature, etc? DOH Hawaii! We absolutely know this sort of information is in *THEIR* database. They are the only Entity *KNOWN* to have the means to create it.

4. If I'm reading you correctly, why would the PDF file sent by HDOH not have the green crosshatch?

Because none of the Original birth certificates from that time period had it. If it's supposed to be a copy of an original, it won't have the crosshatch. It is my understanding that copy protection paper wasn't even invented until 1968. Apart from that, the photos we have seen of the actual "physical" document show no crosshatch pattern.

If such were the case, where then would WH staff have gotten such a background to add to the image that they were going to put up?

I think it was easily obtainable off the net. The question is why they thought it was a good idea to add the crosshatch, and my thinking is that it was probably intended to cover up some details that they didn't want people to notice. There is an article over at the Daily Pen which purports to explain those pencil marks all over the document. Either that, or the White House staff are just idiots, and since they are Democrats, I would buy that theory too.

You've mentioned previously that you yourself were adopted and that a birth certificate was "built" for you six years after the fact. Does your "built" bc look like the "Obama" long form, complete with signatures, archaic-looking type and markings and whatnot?

Yes it does, complete with the Dr's Signature and everything. This confused me for awhile, because the Dr's signature represents an attestation to a fact. Did they seek out this Dr six years later to get him to sign it, or did they simply copy his signature from the original document? Also, How can a Dr attest to things which are not true? (Mother and Father, etc.) Looking it over I found the answer. Where the Dr Signed it, it says:

I hereby certify that this child was born alive on the date stated above.

The wording solves all the problems. He is not attesting that the document is original, or that the mother and father are either. He is only attesting that the child was born alive on the date (original date of birth) stated above. I think this allows them to copy it, and it still comprises a true fact.

Your theory may lie within the realm of possibility (he11, anything is possible with this guy), but a simpler answer would be that whatever "Obama"'s attorney picked up in Hawaii looks nothing like what was posted on the WH servers, and that the image displayed, even if created in the bowels of the HDOH, was not manufactured as part of an above-board, legal process within the constraints of Hawaii law, but rather in secret, and known to only a few highly trusted individuals.

It's definitely not above board, but it is very likely completely legal.

Wasn't it put out last year that a forgery had been created for Barry and inserted into the HDOH records, around February 2011 I believe it was?

My theory is not inconsistent with this statement. If his attorneys got a judge to amend his birth records, a forgery would have been created (legally, by DOH) and inserted into the record. A *LOT* of people do not understand that forging birth certificates is part of the Job at any DOH. This unfamiliarity with the process cause problems, even with law enforcement who ought to know better. Read this article.

http://73adoptee.blogspot.com/2008/10/adoptee-denied-drivers-license-in.html

288 posted on 03/04/2012 9:11:35 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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