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Will Obama Abandon Eastern Europe?
Town Hall ^ | 4/19/12 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 04/19/2012 3:06:47 PM PDT by kathsua

President Barack Obama's recent statement to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, for incoming President Vladimir Putin, that he would be more willing to give into Russian demands after the election indicates re-election of Obama could be a disaster for the United States. Obama's statement is particularly disturbing because it comes on the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The Cuban Missile Crisis occurred because Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev thought President John Kennedy's mishandling of the Bay of Pigs and weak response to the Berlin Crisis of 1961 indicated Kennedy was indecisive and weak. Khrushchev thought the Soviet Union could take advantage of that perceived weakness to place nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Thinking about the Cuban Missile Crisis reminds me that I got a haircut on Friday, October 26, 1962. As I rode my bicycle home from Buff's Barber Shop late that afternoon I wondered if my school would still be there on Monday morning or if I would still be alive.

Russia's attitude to the missile defense system the U.S. has placed in Eastern Europe to protect against missiles from Iran implies Russia, or at least Putin, isn't convinced the Cold War is completely over. Or, maybe Putin wants the appearance of a conflict with the U.S. so he can use the threat of a foreign enemy to suppress freedom of speech in Russia.

The mistake many Americans made after World War II was in thinking that "communism" was the enemy instead of Russia. The Soviet Union was never anything more than a fancy name for the Russian Empire. To rephrase Marx, in Russia "socialism[communism] was the opiate of the people."

Many believe that Putin is not really confortable with democracy. Many Russians are complaining that he stole the recent election.

Putin probably is smart enough to realize he cannot afford a military invasion of Eastern Europe, but he may want to be able to intimidate East European governments into having closer relations with Russia, particularly in the economic area.

If Putin can get the U.S. to retreat from its promises to protect Eastern Europe from missile attack, he may think he can convince East European governments that America can't be relied on to protect them. He might then attempt to intimidate them into abandoning ties with the west in favor of a close relationship with Russia.

Such a threat could produce a major crisis that Obama would be incapable of handling because he isn't a leader.

Nikita Khrushchev decided to place missiles in Cuba because he misinterpreted President John Kennedy's inexperienced handling of the Bay of Pigs and the Berlin Crisis as weakness. Will Putin decide Obama is weak after Obama in effect has said that appeasing Putin is more important to Obama than doing what the American people want?

In the second presidential debate in 1976 President Gerald Ford in a slip of the tongue said, "there is no Soviet domination of eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration." He later said he meant to say that he wouldn't recognize such domination.

Obama cannot claim that his statement to Medvedev was a slip of the tongue without appearing incompetent.

In October, 1944, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill meet with Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin in Moscow and discussed the percentages agreement that accepted Soviet spheres of influence in southeastern Europe. After World War II ended Stalin expanded Soviet control well beyond the percentages suggested by Churchill by sending in groups to establish Soviet style dictatorships.

Churchill and American President Franklin Roosevelt had to give concessions to Stalin because they still needed Soviet help to defeat Germany. They believed they would need Soviet help to defeat Japan.

Obama has no such need for Russian support against foreign enemies. He has no need to appease Russia in eastern Europe.

Would Putin interpret an Obama "retreat" from eastern Europe as an opening to try to help Russia friendly groups in eastern Europe replace their governments with governments friendly to Russia, possibly by using questionable tactics? If that happened would some American politicians respond by trying to start a new McCarthy type era?

Former President Bill Clinton needs to remind Obama that reelection doesn't insure a full term of office. Clinton was impeached after being reelected and barely escaped removal from office. President Richard Nixon was forced to resign after a landslide victory because his supporters used questionable campaign tactics.

If Obama gives in to Putin and Putin takes advantage of him to create a major crisis, Obama could face impeachment. The charge wouldn't be corruption as was the case with Clinton and Nixon. The charge would be "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" (i.e., treason).


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: cubamissilecrisis; easterneurope; obama; russia
Obama probably wants Putin's advice on how to steal the election. Maybe if Obama had been raised in the U.S. he would be more familiar with our history.

Obama likes to take orders from foreign governments like he did when he attacked Libya to help European governments take over its oil

1 posted on 04/19/2012 3:06:49 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

Barack Hussein Obama has never met a despot he did not deeply admire, if only for the efficient way they have of controlling their subjects.

Khaddafi was also an object of his admiration, but that was just business, doncha know.

Like between Mafia dons.


2 posted on 04/19/2012 3:15:24 PM PDT by alloysteel (It is hard to get a man to understand, when his pay depends upon his not understanding something.)
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To: kathsua

Yes.

Next question.

If he gets another term, he will give Russia anything and everything it wants.

I wonder how the White house would look, if it were coliured red?


3 posted on 04/19/2012 3:23:21 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: alloysteel

All the more reason(s) to vote this dangerous teleprompter reader out of office.


4 posted on 04/19/2012 3:28:10 PM PDT by citizen (Romney doubters: Better check your Obama yard sign. The neighbor dog just took a leak on it...again.)
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To: kathsua

Obama got off to a good start early in his term when he scrapped plans to include parts of eastern Europe in the US missile defense plans (ended plans for a site in Poland, IIRC).


5 posted on 04/19/2012 3:29:08 PM PDT by Will88
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To: kathsua
The mistake many Americans made after World War II was in thinking that "communism" was the enemy instead of Russia. The Soviet Union was never anything more than a fancy name for the Russian Empire. To rephrase Marx, in Russia "socialism[communism] was the opiate of the people."

Wrong. DOUBLE wrong.

Communism was/is the problem -- has the author completely forgot about China, Vietnam, the Khmer Rouge, Cuba?

6 posted on 04/20/2012 4:25:23 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: kathsua
The mistake many Americans made after World War II was in thinking that "communism" was the enemy instead of Russia. The Soviet Union was never anything more than a fancy name for the Russian Empire. To rephrase Marx, in Russia "socialism[communism] was the opiate of the people."

Many believe that Putin is not really confortable with democracy. Many Russians are complaining that he stole the recent election.
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This is absolute nonsense, and the fortunate thing is that few people will read it. Communism has always been the enemy, both of the American people, AND of the Russian people, AND of regular people everywhere. Communists killed tens of millions of Russians. Hint to the writer: there was a Russian Civil War from 1917 to 1921 to try to prevent the Communists takeover. Why would people have fought against the Communists takeover for years if they had secretly wanted it?

7 posted on 04/20/2012 4:35:40 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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