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Flashpoint: U.S. Supreme Court
tarandfeathersusa ^ | June 30, 2012 | Iratus Vulgas

Posted on 06/30/2012 11:06:50 AM PDT by Tar and Feathers

The recent SCOTUS decision on Obamacare is stark evidence that the judicial branch has pushed the envelope toward a national crisis. While I’m not yet convinced that we’re witnessing the proverbial straw that breaks Uncle Sam’s back, we could very well be watching a preview of coming attractions.

(Excerpt) Read more at tarandfeathersusa.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; civilwar; constitution; deathpanels; obamacare; supremecourt; zerocare
I make no dire predictions. I'm just keeping my head on a swivel should the you-know-what hit the fan.
1 posted on 06/30/2012 11:07:01 AM PDT by Tar and Feathers
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To: Tar and Feathers
(Excerpt) Read more at...

Nah. You can post it here.

2 posted on 06/30/2012 11:20:05 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Tar and Feathers
Well you guys who print that you will not back Romney, this is what you get....
3 posted on 06/30/2012 11:22:36 AM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: mfish13
Well you guys who print that you will not back Romney, this is what you get....

I'm sorry; but Romney fails at the test of appointing good judges.

4 posted on 06/30/2012 11:31:04 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

He will appoint far better than Obama will.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 11:37:21 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Tar and Feathers; humblegunner

I agree with Humblegunner. Post it here.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 11:43:05 AM PDT by samtheman (ObamaCare is a Tax (the biggest in history). So says the US Supreme Court.)
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To: MrChips
I'm not going to try to persuade people who hate Romney to vote for Romney. I am going to do my best to persuade people to hate Obama, and to cast a vote that will help boot him from office.
7 posted on 06/30/2012 11:46:14 AM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar Expense of ObamaCare is a Tax. So says the US Supreme Court.)
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To: MrChips
He will appoint far better than Obama will.

I refuse to use a relative scale. Roberts is a "better justice" than who Gore would have appointed... yet what quality is he?

8 posted on 06/30/2012 11:47:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Everything in life is on a relative scale. Shop at Penney’s? It’s Good, Better, or Best. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Romnet wins, or Obamacare stands while more ardent liberals are added to the court.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 11:55:31 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: OneWingedShark

He definitely will appoint better than Obama will. Vote for Romney like your life depended on it.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 12:23:04 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: MrChips

“He will appoint far better than Obama will.”

Here are some examples of what Republican presidents believe are good justices:

Earl Warren - EIsenhower
William Brennan - Eisenhower
Harry Blackman (Mr. Roe v Wade) - Nixon
John Paul Stevens - Ford
Anthony Kennedy - Reagan
Sandra Day O’Connor - Reagan
David Souter - GHW Bush
Harriet Myers (GW Bush wanted her but conservatives forced her to withdraw)
John Roberts (GW Bush)

Given the historical record with respect to Republican Supreme Court nominations, why would we believe a liberal Republican (Romney) would nominate a true conservative judge to the Court? Expect Romney to replace a Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito or Roberts with a moderate to left leaning judge who will move further left once on the Court. Based on past behavior, Romney will likely be like George HW Bush who nominated David Souter in order to avoid a confirmation fight.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 12:48:05 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Soul of the South

Now, put your list of Republican presidential nominees in juxtaposition with Democrat nominees, and tell me which ones are worse. You cannot take one or two boneheaded decisions and throw the whole baby out with the bath water. We’re it not for Roberts, you would have already lost most of your 2nd Amemndment rights. Was his Obamacare decision troubling? You bet your sweet arse it was. But make no mistake about it. A vote not cast for the sub mediocre Romney IS a vote for 4 more years of the current White House stench. You will be digging your own grave. Hold your nose like the rest of us and pull the R lever, and pray to the Almighty God in Heaven that we are afforded a little more time to fend off the wolves.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 1:10:52 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: rickomatic

“Hold your nose like the rest of us and pull the R lever, and pray to the Almighty God in Heaven that we are afforded a little more time to fend off the wolves.”

I remember twice not having to hold my nose to vote for the Republican presidential candidate — 1980 and 1984. My nose will once again be pinched shut in 2012, plus I may have to take an airsickness bag into the booth. One can only hope I can live long enough for the Republicans to nominate another candidate I can enthusiastically support.


13 posted on 06/30/2012 1:48:32 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: MrChips
He will appoint far better than Obama will.

Will they be good enough?

Obama's judges say it's OK to cut your leg off at the hip. Will Romney's judges say it's OK to cut your leg off at the knee?

14 posted on 06/30/2012 1:50:45 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: MrChips
Everything in life is on a relative scale. Shop at Penney’s? It’s Good, Better, or Best. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Romnet wins, or Obamacare stands while more ardent liberals are added to the court.

No. Not everything in life is relative. Take the law: you are either a lawbreaker (criminal) or you are not. Your crime doesn't make you less of a lawbreaker than a murderer. The same is true of good and evil.

I do not believe that Romney will appoint good judges, but evil judges who will respect neither law, nor logic, nor God.

15 posted on 06/30/2012 2:09:10 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
He definitely will appoint better than Obama will.

No, he will not. He will appoint evil judges who respect neither law, nor logic, nor God.

Vote for Romney like your life depended on it.

No, I will not. I am not voting for any socialist. Period.

16 posted on 06/30/2012 2:12:14 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rickomatic
We’re it not for Roberts, you would have already lost most of your 2nd Amemndment rights.

Yes we would; the 2nd Amendment merely affirms (and guarantee recognition of) pre-existing, God-given rights. The Supreme Court can no more diminish those actual rights than they can blot out the sun by scribbling "DARKNESS!" on their wall.

(The government's recognition of those rights is an other matter, but cannot be properly addressed until the mentality of "the Constitution gives/grants rights" is wiped out.)

17 posted on 06/30/2012 2:17:59 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: samtheman
I'm not going to try to persuade people who hate Romney to vote for Romney.

Most of those putting Romney down are Democrat hard core left or lack any sense of reality. I don't bother reading their post.

18 posted on 06/30/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: OneWingedShark
I'm sorry; but Romney fails at the test of appointing good judges.

Who is the last person to appoint a good SCOTUS member? At least Romney grasps the atrocity that was committed against the Constitution and the People. Those who still insist on cutting Rom,ney, with the full knowledge that Obama will strive to appoint those who wish the Constitution dead and buried (even deeper than it is now) are whistling past the graveyard.

19 posted on 06/30/2012 2:42:12 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb
Who is the last person to appoint a good SCOTUS member?

I don't know. I don't think I've been alive that long. Certainly not politically aware.

Scalia and Thomas seem ok. The main problem, IMO, is that the people nominated for the position tend to be lawyers. Some should definately be lawyers, but what the Court's lost sight of is that the Constitution means what it says. The entire War On Drugs, for example, is clearly contrary to the Constitution -- and it can even be considered invalid through the judicial-branches golden calf of precedent: the 18th Amendment was needed to give the FedGov the authority to regulate alcohol, it was repealed in full, and no such amendment was made for drugs... yet go Read Raich and see how much they have to twist and turn and dodge and dance in order to declare that the War on Drugs is a-ok.

At least Romney grasps the atrocity that was committed against the Constitution and the People.

I honestly don't know if that's the case: I suspect he's merely seen a chance for him to "get ahead."

Those who still insist on cutting Romney, with the full knowledge that Obama will strive to appoint those who wish the Constitution dead and buried (even deeper than it is now) are whistling past the graveyard.

Honestly, there's more than just the ballot box.

20 posted on 06/30/2012 3:01:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: mfish13

“Well you guys who print that you will not back Romney, this is what you get.... “

This is also what Massachusetts got from Romney, so what’s your point?


21 posted on 06/30/2012 3:05:23 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Fine, then give your vote to Obama.
I’ll think of you when I am sitting in chains somewhere in a soviet-style Gulag.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 6:27:50 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
Fine, then give your vote to Obama.

I'm not giving Obama any vote. I reject the reasoning that "a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama" for if this were true then my vote literally does not count unless I vote a particular way. That is more an indictment of the system than it is of me.

I’ll think of you when I am sitting in chains somewhere in a soviet-style Gulag.

Ah, so you're just going to go quietly into the night? I honestly hope that I am shedding enemy blood before that point, because if it gets to that point then I, and every person sworn to uphold/defend the US Constitution, have failed utterly.

23 posted on 06/30/2012 7:56:52 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
I refuse to use a relative scale. Roberts is a "better justice" than who Gore would have appointed... yet what quality is he?

so as far as you're concerned, every decision by a judge that you basically believe in must be in accordance with your own opinion.....good luck on that one.

I would be very dubious of a judge who agreed with me on every matter, that would lower him to my level of legal understanding....and believe me, that could be very dangerous.

24 posted on 06/30/2012 8:20:54 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: rickomatic
Now, put your list of Republican presidential nominees in juxtaposition with Democrat nominees, and tell me which ones are worse. You cannot take one or two boneheaded decisions and throw the whole baby out with the bath water. We’re it not for Roberts, you would have already lost most of your 2nd Amemndment rights. Was his Obamacare decision troubling? You bet your sweet arse it was. But make no mistake about it. A vote not cast for the sub mediocre Romney IS a vote for 4 more years of the current White House stench. You will be digging your own grave. Hold your nose like the rest of us and pull the R lever, and pray to the Almighty God in Heaven that we are afforded a little more time to fend off the wolves.

AMEN

25 posted on 06/30/2012 8:23:58 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl
>I refuse to use a relative scale. Roberts is a "better justice" than who Gore would have appointed... yet what quality is he?

so as far as you're concerned, every decision by a judge that you basically believe in must be in accordance with your own opinion.....good luck on that one.

No, I did not say that. The problem is precisely this: any judge who thinks that a) it's been done before makes it ok, b) the constitution is whatever the USSC says it is, and/or c) the USSC can alter the Constitution ought not be a supreme court Justice.

a -- is precisely the idolization of case law and precedent.
b -- is a proud mind, incapable of accepting the authority of the Constitution over his position.
c -- is one who thinks himself above the law, a Black-Robed God-King.

26 posted on 06/30/2012 9:28:38 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

The result is the same. Give my regards to your friends in Pravda and at the Politburo, too.


27 posted on 07/01/2012 7:10:34 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
The result is the same. Give my regards to your friends in Pravda and at the Politburo, too.

Of course the result is the same! That's exactly my point!

Obama               Romney
  |                    |
  |                    |
  |                    |
  |                    |
 Marxist             Fabian
 Socialist           Socialist
  \                    /
   \                  /
    \                /
     \              /
      \            /
       \          /
        IMPLEMENTS
         SOCIALISM

So, why should I violate my conscience by voting for a socialist?

Also, rather ironically, you can get what I hear is better news from Pravda than the US media sources.

28 posted on 07/01/2012 8:50:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

A truly cynical and jaded view. I don’t share it.


29 posted on 07/01/2012 9:03:39 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Then list your reasons that you don’t.
Show me sound reasoning showing Romney *won’t* implement socialism.


30 posted on 07/01/2012 9:39:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I could list 1,000 and you would not care. Solipsism on the Right can be as bad as solipsism on the Left. And those kinds of arguments, especially here at FR, are endless and fruitless. . . as well as old news. An election is at hand. One reaches a point where one chooses to put a little faith in people (all of who are imperfect creatures), or one does not. I choose to. When good men do nothing, evil fills the vacuum, which is what your negativity would allow. I am saddened by that, but I hope you have a good day.


31 posted on 07/01/2012 9:53:06 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
When good men do nothing, evil fills the vacuum,

Agreed.

which is what your negativity would allow.

My negativity? I'm truly sorry you see my refusal to support the GOP's selection of such a lackluster candidate as 'negativity.'
The GOP isn't my wife, I said no vow to stick by it is sickness and in health, in good times and in bad; why should I give it that level of commitment?

I am saddened by that, but I hope you have a good day.

Thank you; you have a good day as well.

32 posted on 07/01/2012 10:52:00 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: All

Maybe the article should have been titled “Flashpoint: Free Republic!”

The simple fact of the matter is that in 2012 a president will be elected no matter how much you complain about the result. The choices are simple too. You can vote and contribute to the victory/defeat of either candidate or you you can contribute to neither.

Do whatever you think will create the greatest good but don’t say the results are all equal.

I will vote for Romney as I think he’s a decent man. Obama is certainly not.


33 posted on 07/01/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by Tar and Feathers (http://tarandfeathersusa.wordpress.com/)
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To: OneWingedShark

So you will like Obama’s better??


34 posted on 07/03/2012 4:42:50 AM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: mfish13

You’re assuming they won’t be the same judges.
Besides, the quality of a “good judge” is objectively not relative.


35 posted on 07/03/2012 9:31:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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