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Settlement In “No Gay Reception” Case: Public Businesses Do Not Have a License to Discriminate
ACLU Blog of Rights | Aug 24 2012 | Joshua Block

Posted on 08/26/2012 5:22:38 AM PDT by scottjewell

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Coming soon to a church near you...


41 posted on 08/26/2012 6:51:43 AM PDT by StarfireIV (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The essay question for the ages!)
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To: StarfireIV
Coming soon to a church near you...

From your lips to God's ear. Surely that's their next target isn't it?

42 posted on 08/26/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ClearCase_guy

There is one thing very different here. Black people are not doing anything wrong and should be treated as anybody else. Homosexuals are people doing something wrong. You have no moral obligation to serve them at all. People who include homosexuals as a minority are twisting things way out of proportion.


43 posted on 08/26/2012 6:57:12 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: VRW Conspirator
The next step? Force a church to perform a gay wedding.

My son is the assistant pastor at a small, non-denominational, evangelical church and they are VERY concerned about this. They know in this day and age that they could lose a court case and be forced to perform such weddings.

44 posted on 08/26/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: scottjewell

How about PRIVATE BUSINESS instead of PUBLIC business?


45 posted on 08/26/2012 7:02:37 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: KosmicKitty

Every church in the US will be forced to perform “gay marriages” or lose tax exempt status. They will argue it’s analogous to interracial marriage and if it’s a legal marriage denying it is illegal.

They’ll also try to make any questioning any of the homosexual “hate speech.”. Someone in Canada has already been convicted of quoting the Bible on the topic as a human rights violation.


46 posted on 08/26/2012 7:06:54 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: GeronL

It would be a nice start, to have a push-back from all of this, which would call for a renewal of liberty in the private sphere, and the importance of such.


47 posted on 08/26/2012 7:14:25 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Is there not a single social-conservative billionaire willing to put up megabucks to defeat the ACLU in these cases? If not, they will continue to bully small businesses across the land, using the disgraceful legal system with which we are infected: legal costs unaffordable, and loser never pays.


48 posted on 08/26/2012 7:14:41 AM PDT by montag813
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
I agree with everything you said. But I still see this a Property Rights issue. If I have a hotel and I say "no Samsung cell phones allowed on premises" I think that is my right. If I say "no dogs" that is my right. If I say "no homosexuals" that is my right.

I am not saying that homosexuals are Samsung products, nor am I saying that homosexuals are dogs. I'm just choosing who or what I want at my establishment.

If a business chooses not to serve blacks or homosexuals, the business is not necessarily seeing homosexuals or blacks in a similar way or equating the two groups. I see blacks and homosexuals as two very different collections of humans. But, if I wanted to ban one or both from my lunch counter, I think I should have that right as a property owner.

49 posted on 08/26/2012 7:19:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
There is one thing very different here.

BS it is exactly the very same premise. The government is forcing you and your business weather you want too or not. In addition to that the same government that is forcing businesses to 'not discriminate' is also the very same government that encourages, allows and protects the likes of the Black Caucus, affirmative action and a whole host of discriminatory race based policies, laws and politics.

50 posted on 08/26/2012 7:21:44 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: usconservative

Resturaunts and bars are consdered public and subject to smoking bans. I think if I own a bar I should be able to post a sign saying that it is a smoking establishment and if people don’t like smoke they don’t have to come in.


51 posted on 08/26/2012 7:22:59 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: gusopol3

Yeah, make it part of the reception contract that the attendees understand that a certain percentage of all profits get donated to pro-family causes. HA!


52 posted on 08/26/2012 7:25:04 AM PDT by BRK
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To: BRK

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that this is merely the next logical liberal step of “You didn’t build that!” being “You don’t own that!”


53 posted on 08/26/2012 7:27:58 AM PDT by BRK
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To: scottjewell

In totally unrelated news, many couples looking for a venue for their weddings are finding the selection sparse.


54 posted on 08/26/2012 7:52:56 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: cripplecreek
Yep, the lgbt crowd learned real fast the methods of class-hustling from the race pimp master-shakedown artist jesse jackson. That's the major motivation behind the lgbt crowd, and they're going to wield it like a club against any perceived sleight; real, imaginary, or contrived.
55 posted on 08/26/2012 7:55:07 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: scottjewell
It was decided that a business can't descriminate based on religious beliefs but this seems to leave open the possibility of discriminating for other reasons. I wonder what would have happened if the inn had argued that it didn't accomodate gay receptions simply because they tended to get rowdy or something.

Kate and Ming wished to hold their wedding ceremony at a Buddhist retreat in Vermont and have their reception at a nearby inn.

Oh, so Kate and Ming get to be selective based on their religious beliefs -- they chose a Buddhist retreat -- but the Christian inn owners have no such right.

56 posted on 08/26/2012 8:05:55 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Yes, it is the height of hypocrisy.


57 posted on 08/26/2012 8:06:40 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: freeandfreezing
I am so glad you published the link... now the whole story makes sense.

OBVIOUSLY the dykes were seeking to squelch the religious and secular business practices of some really good people who are believers. Conspicuous believers who exercise their First Amendment rights.

I would pursue this. A good PI could find that these two went out of their way to target this institution for the purposes of humiliating them and denying them their First Amendment rights to free religious practice AS THEY SEE IT.

Countersue, get damages and punitives, which for this place, and their good will, and for what they stand for, could easily be several millions.

Alan Dershowitz, where are you?

THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE END OF THE STORY.

58 posted on 08/26/2012 8:07:40 AM PDT by caddie
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59 posted on 08/26/2012 8:08:06 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: KosmicKitty
...they could lose a court case and be forced to perform such weddings

And effectively be compelled to recognize "gay" as a protected class. The subsequent step will be when a gay preacher/pastor/minister/teacher is denied a position at a school or (gulp) a church. The next thing you see is a preacher at the pulpit sporting a moustache and a dress. Churches will be ripped apart.

60 posted on 08/26/2012 8:26:14 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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