Here's what the Republican House must do on taxes right now, and what will happen if they don't

SOL | 12/7/12 | sickoflibs

[sickoflibs]

I still suggest that House Republicans extend those cuts under $250 K,
Declare that they saved the middle class and then take on the other issues that they might be able to win. AND NO DEAL WITH OBAMA.

Here is what House Republicans need to do RIGHT NOW (should of done 6 months ago) :
Stop negotiating with O because that is a waste of time, and no passing tax increase bills in house. Here is a step by step plan:

1) Pass the partial extension <$250K and send to Senate, if you like include another bill extending >$250K with it.

2) Get on TV and let voters know you (House Rs) saved (middle class) voters from a tax increase

3) Declare on TV the Obama crisis is over

4) Then daily Beg Obama (show for voters) ON TV to NOT raise taxes on job creators, tell voters you did everything your power to stop him from doing it and why it will be bad for this country.
Don't worry, Voters will automatically give Obama credit for raising those taxes even though they are automatic, he cant get out of that if the economy slows because that was his major campaign promise..

5) Let everything else go over the cliff. No restored spending, no stimulus, no nothing (the debt limit will be another tough fight I wont get into here) .

You made your tax bed Dems.
Republicans, Blame every problem for the next 4 years on those Obama tax increases.

Here's what the House holding back on those <=250K income extensions would bring,
In fact we know exactly how Norquists 's plan would play out from the FICA tax cut fiasco exactly a year ago

1) House Republicans listen to this guy and say ‘ taxes on the middle class will go up unless we get a full extension, for all that income above $250K too. We will not extend them without the others. We dont leave the job producers behind. We won the election.”

2) In January taxes go up (assuming it gets that far)

3) Obama gets on TV and Townhalls telling middle class voters that their taxes are going up because Republicans once again are putting ‘the rich’ ahead of them.

4) MSM hounds Republicans asking them if they are happy they ‘raised taxes’ on the middle class

5) House Republicans get flooded in a tidal wave of angry emails and phone calls from those who voted for them.
They try to go home for a visit and there are angly mobs around their house with signs
“I am sorry I voted for you. You raised my taxes you lying #%%$$”, many are white and 50 + obviously not ACORN.

6) The stock Market tanks

7) House Republicans even the most ‘conservative’ go to Bohner and say “WE made a big mistake. We need to cut those taxes (under$250K income) and put this behind us. My voters want to kill me” just as they did with last years FICA.

8) The House quietly passes the extension in secret just as they did FICA last February.

9) Obama signs it declaring that the Rs finally saw reason

10) The stock market recovers some just because the panic is over sand no one knows that the resulting Obama tax increases hurt the stock market because they think house Rs crashed it and O saved it.

11) Obama gets credit for saving the economy. AGAIN.

12) House Republicans dont challenge O again for the next two years. So the Republican party melts down in civil war. Dems bayonette the R wounded.

13) In 2014 election Reid and Pelosi get back the same numbers they got in 2009.

14) January 2015 Congess passes a bill making Obama King. (no more filibuster to stop it) Republicans blame voter fraud.

Or does anyone think middle class voters will act any differently than they did a year ago on FICA with that coming tax increase?

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Passing the under 250K is a must. The problem with your theory after that is the polling and the business community. First you want to obstruct again. The polling shows by 60-30 not negotiating it will be the republicans fault. Second problem is the business community does not want that either. Go against them and lose funding.
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What I am about to say will not be popular but I hope it makes sense.”

Heretic!!! You will be burned at the stake :)

I think you point out some valid problems, and I believe that you are right that many business people would rather accept an Obama poison pill like having their own taxes raised if they can get a pro-business tax reform out of it.

Meanwhile you got a number of ‘burn the house down to get rid of the pests’ Republicans who seem to be demanding middle class tax increases in the name of ‘business owners’

But you have to realize that O doesnt negotiate, He crushes congressional Rs in the voters view by using the above foolish Republicans and then dictates his terms of surrender, and then wins. its pathetic.

[liberalh8ter]

If we had two different parties, they would do exactly what you're advocating.

[Norm Lenhart]

I’ll assume you posted before seeing my follow-up edit of 2 years, but to clarify...

The power to not fund a single thing Obama did. The power of the purse to halt ALL action in the house and totally freeze/lock any legislation until Obama governed within his authority.

They lacked one thing. The Balls.

Bohner could have ground everything to a halt. And what would he have lost compared to what he ultimately did? Better question...What would America have been saved from?

I think there are a few TRILLION answers to that question. One of which is this. The GOP house members were not elected to make popular choices, nor are they guaranteed to keep their cushy jobs. They were hired to do the right thing.

Now if anyone can dispute the above factually and logically I would love to see it.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Meanwhile you got a number of ‘burn the house down to get rid of the pests’ Republicans who seem to be demanding middle class tax increases in the name of ‘business owners’

If the get their way, they will have the same success that Don Quixote had with windmills.

(Howard) Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

And eventually Dean will be proved right (because govt. will not reform entitlements in time), but in the short term anybody who says the emperor has no clothes will lose elections.

[sickoflibs]

I saw Dean say that, that we all need to pay more taxes, on MSNBC yesterday I think. Chris Hayes says it too.

Apparently a bunch of uber conservatives are calling for this too, “lets go off the cliff. tax increase on everyone”
Reminds me of “default, default, shut it dwon, shut it down’

Lets face it, Republicans keep repeating that tax cuts on only the rich is not enough to dent the deficit, so???

They think this is a great argument for what? What Howard Dean recommends? Esp since Obama shows little interest in the problem.

This is why taxes are going up, arguments like that.

[smoothsailing]

Do you know what debt is?

Yes, debt is something owed. It can be money, loyalty, gratitude, just about anything.

Are there any other words that I can help you with?