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Liberals are responsible for this tragedy
Tea Party Nation ^ | 12/15/12 | Judson Phillips

Posted on 12/15/2012 6:33:39 AM PST by Thad Lost

In light of a tragedy like the shooting at Newton yesterday, the immediate reaction of conservatives is to mourn and offer our sympathies and prayers for the victims. The immediate reaction of liberals is to politicize the issue.

When we are engaged in a war for our freedom, we cannot allow the left simply dominate the narrative while we act as decent human beings.

There is one simple truth here. Guns were not responsible for what happened yesterday. Liberals were.

How?

The school at Newton like schools everywhere was declared “gun free” zones.

Why don’t we just put up a big sign here that says, “DEFENESLESS TARGETS IN THIS BUILDING!”

The left has succeeded in pushing gun control and the end result has been perfectly predictable. Everywhere gun control is imposed, violent crime rises. Washington DC has some of the most draconian gun control laws around. It is also racked with violent crime. Ditto Nanny State Queen Michael Bloomberg’s hellhole called New York City. Citizens are defenseless but criminals didn’t get the memo. They sill have guns.

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1 posted on 12/15/2012 6:33:51 AM PST by Thad Lost
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To: Thad Lost

the gunman is responsible for killing those children and staff.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 6:35:30 AM PST by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: never4get

Want to be honest?
The guy had known mental issues and may have been on meds.
Used to lock up these people for life and then we got civil.

Choose, civil as this is or jail them before it happens.

You can’t have the best of both worlds.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 6:38:02 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Thad Lost

Nonsense. Adam Lanza is the only one responsible. Let’s not turn into liberals here.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 6:40:53 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Thad Lost
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5 posted on 12/15/2012 6:42:34 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Thad Lost

Society has changed. Today it’s “all about me” and if I have a problem it’s someone else’s fault. I deserve other people’s money and it’s not fair they have more than I do. I have a device that’s capable of killing but if I use it then it’s the device’s fault. I can’t say God in public or in school for fear of reprisal. I have to accept things I don’t agree with. I am shunned when I don’t agree. I am led to believe only government can take care of me, and I deserve to be taken care of. I can make a song that talks of cop-killing, mayhem and murder and then believe I don’t impact others. God help us.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: Thad Lost

Bloomberg is such a tool. He just had a mafia style hit caught on film in the middle of the day in the middle of his city and not a word out of hizhoners mouth.
Why ? Cause it was a black on black crime ?


7 posted on 12/15/2012 6:44:46 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: A CA Guy
There was a time when mental cases like this were committed to asylums after being judged dangerous to themselves or others.
The asylums were largely closed by the early 60s.
8 posted on 12/15/2012 6:45:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: A CA Guy

Who gets to determine what “mental issues” warrant incarceration, “for life”? You? The Government? Your statement is dangerous.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 6:47:54 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: A CA Guy
....what this gunman's mental health was is all speculation at this point. If very serious danger to society, and he was let loose then the doctor’s who auth’d same should be sued civilly and brought up on criminal charges....That being said, if he was of only mild impairment, with no evidence of any danger to others...how in the world do you see this coming, or have him committed. We just do not know....One thing that does seem clear is that some how his family did have guns and they were available to him, and it would appear not locked safely away. That concerns me. If you want to own a gun you better take responsibility for that gun...Again, maybe he broke the locks to get to them....everything at this point is speculation...and my point is that a statement liberals are responsible or complicit in any manner for what happened is not accurate at all without any evidence to support same. The gunman on the other hand pulled the trigger...He cannot escape responsibility.
10 posted on 12/15/2012 6:48:08 AM PST by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: A CA Guy

Probably on Ritalin which a high percentage of these shooters are on. Side effects are feelings of suicide and murder.

Pray for America


11 posted on 12/15/2012 6:49:28 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: bray
It is amazing to see the speculation of the gunman's mental issues on this thread with not one iota of evidence....Holy Moly, sad and scary to say the least.
12 posted on 12/15/2012 6:51:31 AM PST by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: Thad Lost
Every time there is one of these shootings, it has one common factor. It happens in a gun free zone.

First I must add that I remember when guns even surplus WWII weapons were sold in magazine ads and IIRC comic book ads. I remember when DoD virtually gave away surplus ammo -- there's something else going on today.

I agree with the writer.. but I must add that there is at least one other factor today that just was not there back then.. widespread use of mind-altering pharmaceuticals

Was this and other massacres "arranged" in order to advance an agenda.

Maybe yes in the context that certain pharmaceuticals have effects on the mind that, there is strong evidence, cause these horrors.

Yet, and here's the "arranged" aspect, there appears to be a disregard and even a coverup of the connection -- it could be argued that some in the ruling class New Normal want the shootings to happen

and among them there was talk that it may be necessary to kill as many as 60 million Americans to get their desired transformation of America. They need to disarm those 60 million Americans.

(There's one more thing that we have today that we did not have back then when these aged Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, spoiled brats were children -- a couple of whom produced Barack Obama. That other thing is these pukes are now in the ruling class.)

13 posted on 12/15/2012 6:52:02 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Society has changed. Today it’s “all about me” and if I have a problem it’s someone else’s fault. I deserve other people’s money and it’s not fair they have more than I do. I have a device that’s capable of killing but if I use it then it’s the device’s fault. I can’t say God in public or in school for fear of reprisal. I have to accept things I don’t agree with. I am shunned when I don’t agree. I am led to believe only government can take care of me, and I deserve to be taken care of. I can make a song that talks of cop-killing, mayhem and murder and then believe I don’t impact others. God help us.


Excellent summary.

Also a prime reason we someone like O as president .....


14 posted on 12/15/2012 6:54:19 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: Thad Lost

NewTOWN, not NewTON


15 posted on 12/15/2012 6:54:42 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: corlorde

Someone better start determining something or we’re going to have more dead children and even stricter gun control laws.
Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 6:55:07 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: Thad Lost

There is no “Newton” in Connecticut.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 6:55:51 AM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: Thad Lost
The typical liberal response came from Juan Williams yesterday on Hannity's radio program. His first reaction was: "We should not be politicizing this tragedy. We should simply pass new gun control laws".

It's a typical ignorant liberal twit statement. You see, only the Conservatives are political. Liberals are simply always right.

18 posted on 12/15/2012 6:57:39 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: BillyBonebrake

This isn’t going to be about gun control. Someone has already looked at the parents voter registration and determined that they were Democrats.

This is going to be about Obamacare and why insurance companies need to fund mental health premiums.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 6:59:24 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: bray

Or they get off their drugs and their dream worlds where they feel indignant and offended spins them into all kinds of violence and murder.

Almost always a bad brain (drugs or not involved) and I do think the Internet access for such kids gets them also set off and they get all charged up easier anyway.
Many spend from what I hear most of their day jerking off to porn, and then when they can’t get friends who can tolerate them or especially can’t get a girl beyond a date or two they get more enraged.
Lots gets them going.

If not a gun, a car, knife, bomb and so forth will be used next.
You and I think A - B - C - D...
These people with problems think A - C - D - B and can pretty much never change.

Who is ready to lock them all up from childhood on as we used to?
If not, they will kill again and again.

It’s not all of them killing but from the mental group lots of them are the shooters, bombers, knife wielding killers.
Such is life and death.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 7:00:40 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

He is the one responsible, but in a time of tragedy, liberals make us go on defense before the bodies are cold. I truly resented that I had to immediately contemplate saving our God-given rights instead of mourning the victims. So yea, liberals suck.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 7:00:58 AM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: never4get

Brother said he was autistic for starters.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 7:03:36 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Used to lock up these people for life and then we got civil. Choose, civil as this is or jail them before it happens.

Agree that the '60s de-institutionalization movement had some terrible consequences.

But nobody on FR, I hope, would advocate locking someone up simply because he acted "odd." E.g. a loner type who shunned the general culture, for whatever reason.

That would be a sure recipe for Soviet-style forced "psychiatric" incarceration. FReepers would be the first to be thrown in Obama's psychiatric gulag.

23 posted on 12/15/2012 7:04:14 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: corlorde
"Who gets to determine what “mental issues” warrant incarceration, “for life”? You? The Government? Your statement is dangerous."

Right, which is what got us to this point of the crazies being out to kill people all over the place.

So our choice was to let the innocent die so we don't lock up the potential problems as we used to.

It is what we choose to do as a society and we need to stop complaining about what to do about these killings unless we want to go back to locking all the misfits up.
I don't think we want to lock the mental up yet again IMO.

24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:06:41 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Please consider post 3 and 5. I agree he is ultimately responsible, but if anyone group in society has made it easier for a nut like this to kill it’s the liberals.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:08:34 AM PST by CommieCutter
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To: shhrubbery!

We don’t like the incarceration of the mental, and yet again we don’t like when they go off and kill everyone.

I don’t see a win win on this issue for anyone.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: shhrubbery!

We don’t like the incarceration of the mental, and yet again we don’t like when they go off and kill everyone.

I don’t see a win win on this issue for anyone.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

That about sums it up.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 7:14:55 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I knew they were Democrats. The shooter is always a Democrat or left leaning person if you don’t hear about their political affiliation from the MSM.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 7:15:36 AM PST by CommieCutter
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To: Sarabaracuda
You could consider castration of these people as youth so they don't get as charged up to go off when they reach adulthood, but like locking them up this action would not go over well and would be seen as barbaric.

I'm not sure if castrating them would even do it, but many of these men are oversexed and unsuccessful leading to unending frustration.

Again, we are too civil to really fix this IMO.
We so expect this that every county now has training to council people when these things happen.

Consider also, many parental gems have been high or on things while having sex the last couple of decades and we are seeing the offspring of drugs and alcohol in addition to what would have naturally occurred in nature.

So, we need to again ban alcohol, pot, prescription meds, guns, cars, knives, pillows (for suffocation) and all Yoko Ono recordings (which make our ears bleed).

We can go on and on. No answer to this if we want to be totally civil.

30 posted on 12/15/2012 7:18:22 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Yes, it is time to regulate crazy people NOT guns.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 7:22:24 AM PST by EverOnward
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32 posted on 12/15/2012 7:23:18 AM PST by MtnMan101
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33 posted on 12/15/2012 7:24:45 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: never4get

Some of these killers are psychotic and delusional and have the forces of Satan within them. Their realization is that they will live in infamy, forever a name in American culture, someone who is, sadly, immortalized with the instant attention and attraction to such a heinous and vile action.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 7:28:09 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Having an abortion is "progressive"?)
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To: Thad Lost

So many thousands of the mentally ill were released from institutions and are now on the streets of our communities classified as ‘The Homeless’. Liberals have demanded that be done. I know this was not the case here, but overall the so-called ‘Homeless’ are a safety threat to the public.

“In the late 1970s, President Jimmy Carter’s Commission on Mental Health mentioned “the objective of maintaining the greatest degree of freedom, self-determination, autonomy, dignity, and integrity of body, mind, and spirit for the individual while he or she participates in treatment or receives services.”

Maybe state law enforcement in Connecticut should have intervened before this individual turned into a killer.

CONNECTICUT LAW ON COMMITMENT OF MENTALLY ILL ADULTS

I. Definitions

CGS §17a-495 defines “person with psychiatric disabilities,” “dangerous to himself or herself or others,” “gravely disabled,” and “voluntary” and “involuntary patient(s). “

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/olrdata/jud/rpt/2002-R-0848.htm


35 posted on 12/15/2012 7:30:48 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Thad Lost
In light of a tragedy like the shooting at Newton yesterday, the immediate reaction of conservatives is to mourn and offer our sympathies and prayers for the victims. The immediate reaction of liberals is to politicize the issue.

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Nonsense. The immediate reaction of far too many freepers was to make political comments with no reference at all of either sympathy or prayers.

Likewise there were tons of FB postings by liberal friends wthat were totally non-political and were focused only on prayers for the families.

There are assholes on both sides and Judson proves it..

36 posted on 12/15/2012 7:31:02 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Thad Lost

Our culture is rotting from the inside out. In the 1950’s people drove to school and left their rifles in the back of their pickup trucks and nobody did this sort of thing. In the 1800’s, there were not even background checks and this sort of thing never happened. Something is different NOW and it is NOT the guns.

Hollywood movies, computer games, and rap music which glorify violence, are all bigger contributors to this sort of thing than any gun. Guns have always been there.....in fact, they were far more accessible prior to GCA68.

It’s the culture, not the guns. THIS is the discussion we need to have.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 7:31:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: never4get
RE: "It is amazing to see the speculation [and] not one iota of evidence. . . ."

There is a lot of talk here about mental problems.. we had mental problems prior to the JFK assassination and the beginning of the constant demands for "gun control;" but any shootings at schools back then were by the schools' rifle teams. (Yes of course there were some shootings the U. of Texas tower comes to mind.)

Beginning in the 1950s after pharmaceuticals were invented that could make the insane sane they were loosed with their promise that they'd take their meds.

Those are not the major problem.. what about the normal people feeling a little down and taking mind-altering pharmaceuticals to feel better? I recall such drugs being discussed as driving people to doing these horrible killings.

A cursory search for, pharmaceuticals and gun violence, finds the role pharmaceuticals play in gun violence.

I did not read any. I am relying upon hearing descussions by experts and an occassional post here in FR to state unequivocally that mind altering pharmaceuticals taken by sane people are a huge factor.

38 posted on 12/15/2012 7:35:33 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: A CA Guy

Whenever I used to convey any consevative idea to my liberal union coworkers they woud always say that people like me should be locked up and I am a good case for gun control. And I’m just talking about simple ideas like taxes or property rights. Of course there would be more union jobs if they put conservatives in institutions.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:25 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Sarabaracuda
Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics

Which will require more government to determine who 'the lunatics' are...an expansion of the Obamacare mandate perhaps? More institutions, more prisons, more government controlled "mental health panels", more laws, more, more, more.

40 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:23 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: never4get

I agree. I find knee-jerk liberal accusations against conservatives in such circumstances distasteful as well.

I’m sorry to see this under a tea party banner.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Was this and other massacres "arranged" in order to advance an agenda.

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Ah, another Freeper doing his best to make us look crazy.

42 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:38 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: MtnMan101

43 posted on 12/15/2012 7:40:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: A CA Guy

Unfortunately, as great a president as Ronald Reagan was - he is the one who shut down the mental health hospitals and hospitals for the criminally insane. From my research, it actually cost less to run these facilities than it does for all the “feel good” programs out there. Many who were released when the hospitals closed, ended up homeless or in jail. Many commit minor crimes so that they get what they call “3 hots and a cot,” for the winter months. The jails are also now serving as mental health coordinators.

Sorry, Mr. Reagan - this was one policy that wasn’t good for this nation.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 7:45:40 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Rusty0604

We have a growing group connected to government employment (unions) and on the dole (the long term unemployed, those constantly on welfare, almost all those from over the border here to access the system or have a baby to access our system).
To all these above, suggesting we have lower taxes and a smaller government without endless pensions or dole doesn’t sound sane.
These same people knowing there is a problem in our country will still vote the dole, big pensions and so forth knowing the country is flying off the cliff in debt.
There is no critical rational thinking to those who have their hand in our Treasury and in the pay checks and wallets of our citizens that earned their money.

How do we fight this injustice and cancer to our country’s solvency? This is the question of the day because a big chunk of the electorate don’t get it.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 7:45:45 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Catsrus

I remember that. We were broke even then.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 7:46:35 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

If you add up the number of children shot this year in Obama’s hometown I am certain that it would be over a hundred.

CHICAGO
10 shot, including 4 teens, Friday afternoon and night

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-violence-december-14-december-15-20121214,0,912168.story


47 posted on 12/15/2012 7:49:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
There's one more thing that we have today that we did not have back then when these aged Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, spoiled brats were children -- a couple of whom produced Barack Obama.

Obama's remarks after the murders in Newtown were nothing but stagecraft. The fake tears, the catch in his voice and his reference to "scripture" (as he phrased it) were another reflection of his utter loathing for real American values. It's not a stretch to believe that the Marxist Muslim actually delights in such events since they provide a platform for he, Holder and the rest of the corrupt regime to enact rules that restrict gun ownership. And, as we saw yesterday, fewer guns lead only to more senseless deaths.

48 posted on 12/15/2012 7:50:57 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: corlorde
Indeed it is dangerous. Years ago, a husband would have his wife committed because she may be disagreeable, and he wanted to be free of her. He could have her committed.

Maybe the movie "The Snake Pit" sould be viewed once more.

In those days, the CRAZIES were having the SANE locked up. Substitute CRAZIES as LIBERALS, and SANE for CONSERVATIVES. Now you can see the danger.

49 posted on 12/15/2012 7:53:36 AM PST by annieokie
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To: 9YearLurker

NYT’s Nick Kristof: “Ordinary Guns Are WMD”…

http://weaselzippers.us/

Dem Congressman: We Must “Exploit” Elementary School Massacre For Political Gain…

http://weaselzippers.us/


50 posted on 12/15/2012 7:56:02 AM PST by KeyLargo
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