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So....common sense or anti-freedom hogwash?
1 posted on 12/16/2012 4:10:20 PM PST by hoagy62
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Babylon who? babylon what? irrelevant
2 posted on 12/16/2012 4:12:26 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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Shall not be infringed. Period. Paragraph. Turn the page. Amen.

Anyone that says different can pound sand.

/johnny

3 posted on 12/16/2012 4:17:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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What I want to know is how all you FReepers who have had tragic boating accidents and lost all your guns are going to take them for those “mandatory” inspections?


4 posted on 12/16/2012 4:17:03 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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Responsible gun owners already do many/most of these things either (a) voluntarily or (b) under penalty of state or local law.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 4:17:20 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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“Required classes in gun safety and use as part of purchasing a firearm, with a sliding scale of hours per class determined by the type of firearm being purchased. The more complex the weapon, the longer the class. (So a handgun purchase might be just one hour, but an automatic weapon might be three.)”

And, Nimrod, what if it’s an automatic handgun?


6 posted on 12/16/2012 4:17:20 PM PST by vladimir998
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What odo about guns (J. Michael Straczynski, creator of 'Babylon 5')

No, odo was in Star Trek: Deep Space 9: Rick Berman's rip-off of J. Michael Straczynski's Babylom 5

7 posted on 12/16/2012 4:19:08 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (By doubting we come to inquiry, and through inquiry we perceive truth. -; Peter Abelard)
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(So a handgun purchase might be just one hour, but an automatic weapon might be three.)

Who else gets a kick out of liberals talking about automatic weapons like you can whip on down to Cabelas and pick one up with the fishing line? And, yea. I think I recall "automatic weapons training" begin about 3 hours in Basic. What a f-in joke!
9 posted on 12/16/2012 4:20:51 PM PST by NamVet71MP
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3300 innocent babies are butchered each day by Leftists

10 posted on 12/16/2012 4:21:01 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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Automobiles should already come with lockable gun safes. People who buy gun safes for their homes should get a tax credit for doing so. I own a couple of safes ~ one of my aunts' husbands had a couple of Indy racers in his garage and several firearms around the house ~ all on full display in bullet proof glass gun safes.

Nothing at all wrong with a gun safe ~ that way you know where the arms are that you need and that you will be able to get to them, or, I guess you could wear a holster night and day ~ ask your wife eh!

Firearms safety courses should be mandatory in school, along with some range time ~ and that can be handled electronically!

People who know how to handle guns safely have fewer accidents with them. Gun safes make your guns readily available when you need them.

11 posted on 12/16/2012 4:21:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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#s 1-4 are essentially Teddy Roosevelt's doctrine.

“Reflecting with regret on the casualties the U.S. took in the Spanish-American War, President Roosevelt said: ‘The great body of our citizens shoot less as time goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys and indeed among all classes as well as in the military services, by every means of our power. Thus and not otherwise may we be able to assist in preserving peace in the world. The first step in the direction of preparation to avert war, if possible, and to be fit for war, if it should come, is to teach men to shoot.’ “

I have been for this for years as has the NRA.

12 posted on 12/16/2012 4:23:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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No amount of gun safety training will prevent a sociopath from using a gun in murder. Or whatever other weapon can be found.

Some of these propositions do go beyond what is just common sense, and enter the realm of intrusiveness.

There is also no discussion whatsoever about what to do about sociopaths and other mentally ill persons who show the signs of being capable of committing such an act long before they ever commit it. Others have been bringing up the emptying of mental hospitals, which is really the conversation that needs to take place. Children who perform unspeakable acts of cruelty on animals are likely to move up to human victims at some point—so why aren’t they committed? Why is there still the fiction that there is a cure for every mental illness? There isn’t—the drugs only mask the symptoms, and sometimes not very well. Neither society nor the mentally ill have been served well by closing the mental hospitals.

Okay, getting off my soapbox now.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 4:24:53 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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His 3000 number is widely accepted except that it counts gang members and innocent victims the same. Also the “children” in that number goes up to age 24 I think.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 4:29:36 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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Mikey is quoting the Children’s Defense Fund? That is a radical Marxist organization. He’s either stupid or a liar.

Too bad we are not all in a cage. Especially the childrun! That would be safest. We can trust the zoo keepers like smart ole Michael to take care of us.

No self defense for limo liberals. Tax ‘em into my shed so Michael can not afford to send out anti-freedom e-mails to his “freinds.”


18 posted on 12/16/2012 4:31:26 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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1-2 I’m all for education of the ignorant in the safe handling of dangerous tools.

The rest, no.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 4:33:27 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (John Winthrop's "City upon a Hill" just became a midden heap. Infested with rats and other vermin.)
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Well for starters, why don’t you break out real children #s when you preface your argument. 3,000 child deaths includes all under 18 gang bangers. If you can’t even start out honestly, I’m pretty sure the rest is shite. Real children (not criminals) killed by guns every year is actually a tiny number. A horrible but very small number.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 4:33:57 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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Childrens’ Defense Fund, having an anti-Second amendment bias, classifies as “children” the teen-agers that die early as a consequence of their participation in the urban gang and drug culture. A sad situation, to be sure,but not a credible argument for restricting the self-defense or recreational firearm needs/desires of the law abiding.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 4:44:20 PM PST by Elsiejay
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Nothing in the Constitution gives the government the power to demand to inspect a private citizen’s weapons. There’s a more fundamental problem, which is that operating a motor vehicle on public roads is recognized by the law as a privilege, while gun ownership is a right government is bound to respect. The two aren’t comparable.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 4:53:16 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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3000 kids per year? and liberals are saying anything that can save even one life should be done.

then how about the 3,000 kids killed EVERY DAY in the US? wouldn’t you think they would want to stop that?

abortion in the US kills 3,000+ every day... over 1.2m per year

the hypocrisy of the left is mind boogling


30 posted on 12/16/2012 5:18:03 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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This was far more measured and sensible than I expected from a hollywood writer/producer.

Guns are not causing the massacres by mentally ill individuals. That's a healthcare issue and a place the Left failed miserably to deal with.

38 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:48 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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First, there are already more than 20,000 gun control laws actively on the books today and none of them prevented this tragedy. Second, millions upon million of people in America own guns and 99.9999% of them have never and will never do anything like this.

So, let’s lose the hysteria and analyze the facts - a PERSON did this, NOT a hunk of steel. In Portland, a PERSON killed two people in the mall, NOT a hunk of steel! In Denver, a PERSON shot up the theater, NOT a hunk of steel!!

NONE of these facts will matter to the gun-grabbing nanny-staters, because they focus solely on the gun and nothing else. So, what happens if ALL guns are outlawed and forcibly collected by the feds? Someone bent on committing mass murder may turn to knives, hatchets, chainsaws or machetes. So, we outlaw those. The next person to commit a heinous crime may use a bat, poison, poison gas or a semi-tractor. And the one after that may use a car, a pen or pencil, a rock, his hands . . . . . . so when do we blame the PERSON and NOT the inanimate weapon!???

The fact remains that until the left understands that murdering humans by ANY means including their favorite method, abortion, human life will be valueless and more copycats will come out to exercise their demented mass murder of innocent people.

All of that said, it occurs to me that the gun-grabbers are from the leftist school of complete control. What that means is that if 1 person commits a gun crime then, under the leftist theory of the “collective” and “groupthink”, they believe that ALL gun owners will commit mass murder unless they eliminate guns (good luck with that!). So, the calls for more gun control by the left after these incidents is twofold - eliminate the “balance of power” the Founding Fathers so carefully wove into the Constitution and gain total control over the people.

Another part that affects all of this is the fact that laws, whether gun laws, robbery laws, or whatever, are written solely to affect law-abiding citizens. People who commit crimes are called “outlaws” and criminals because they DON’T adhere to the laws created to control or stop their illegal activities.

So, should the left create additional gun control laws, will it prevent the next gun-related crime? Of course not. Laws only affect those of us who obey them. Those who disregard the law won’t be stopped from committing whatever crime they want to commit.

As a final note, Adam Lanza did not own the guns he used to murder all of the people at Sandy Hook Elementary. They were his mother’s guns and they were all legally purchased and registered. Which begs the question, what will any NEW gun control laws accomplish?

It is worth noting that, back in the 50s and 60s, gun safety training as well as shooting ranges were present in most schools. But, the suggestions ignore the circumstances - Newtown wasn’t about gun safety, it was about a heinous act committed by a demented kid with mental health issues. So, this whole episode isn’t about guns, it’s about protecting the rest of the population from those with mental health issues who MAY do the unthinkable one day.

What sage advice does your committee of know-it-alls have to offer about that!??


40 posted on 12/16/2012 6:27:20 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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