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Americans Won't Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
Faultlineusa blog ^ | Monday, December 17, 2012 | J. D. Long street

Posted on 12/23/2012 1:26:07 PM PST by upchuck

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To: upchuck
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers

No, it won't.

Replace "government law officers" with "United Nations mercenaries" and you are onto something.

41 posted on 12/23/2012 3:52:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

UN mercenaries from where? Usually, when the call goes out, thousands of shoeless Africans show up since their government gets paid by the head to ‘donate’ them to the cause. The US usually ends up outfitting them with everything.


42 posted on 12/23/2012 3:56:39 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: upchuck

Isn’t it nice to read an article like this? Straight shooting. No BS. No politically cowrecked crap. Just the facts.


43 posted on 12/23/2012 4:00:28 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Windflier

It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]


44 posted on 12/23/2012 4:02:57 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Windflier

It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]


45 posted on 12/23/2012 4:03:10 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Using U.N. enforcers would be an even more disastrous attempt.

I would think most Americans would have far less hesitation to pull the trigger against a foreigner than a U.S. jackboot.

46 posted on 12/23/2012 4:06:16 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the UN is going to send in “mercenaries”, pray how are they getting here? In most UN operations, the U.S. military is the one that transports them because most of those “peacekeepers” have no way to transport themselves to the scene of the crime. If the U.S. military doesn’t go along with illegal orders like this, then the UN goons will have to take a tramp freighter. Also, who will transport their vehicles and do their logistics? The morons at the UN have no clue — they’re too busy salting money away in the Caymans or Swiss banks.
47 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:28 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: upchuck

A couple of salient points for the anti-gun folks out there.

Mexico with 112 million citizens and rigid gun control had in excess of 11,000 gun related homicides in 2010. Almost none were defensive.

The United States with 311 million citizens had just over 9,000. Many were defensive with armed citizens defending life or property.

How is that gun control thing working out for Mexico?


48 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:41 PM PST by Ben Mugged ("Life's tough..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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To: Windflier; Little Ray

I am 100% in like mind with this post.

But I think if we plan on protecting ourselves we need to be realistic about what we can expect.

Unless the commies slip up and move too fast they are going to get a lot of their goal by incrementalism. It’s worked for 40 years and it is still working. It helps having a completely compliant press working for them.

As far as the military (and the police and national guard) is concerned, “they” are methodically destroying the service from within at a very fast rate. That “most” would side with the people is still possible, but will not be for a lot longer.

Gun owners had better think long and hard, and be prepared to do what our founding fathers were willing to do. Are you willing to die? Because (IMO) it is going to come to that at some point.

I’m not being negative, or defeatist. It will come to that and we will have to demonstrate the incredible stoicism and character of our forefathers if we expect to have a chance.


49 posted on 12/23/2012 4:47:47 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

My uniformed colleagues and I used to have some interesting discussions on the normally boring mid-watches. We would come up with a certain scenario and spend the next 3 or 4 days discussing how to best respond. I’ll bet we weren’t alone and I’ll also wager that’s still going on.


50 posted on 12/23/2012 4:58:35 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: MachIV
We are mostly millions of lone wolves....
51 posted on 12/23/2012 4:59:58 PM PST by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: upchuck

Well, actually it is “Deo Vindice” and not “Deo Vindici,” but you likely know that, and you just hit the wrong key. But your translation is a tad inaccurate (though a nice thought), as “Deo Vindice” means, literally, “God will vindicate.”


52 posted on 12/23/2012 5:11:36 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Little Ray

I think a great number of US troops would sit this one out, or side with the patriots.


53 posted on 12/23/2012 5:26:10 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: MasterGunner01
If the UN is going to send in “mercenaries”, pray how are they getting here?

They're already here.

54 posted on 12/23/2012 5:29:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Gun owners had better think long and hard, and be prepared to do what our founding fathers were willing to do. Are you willing to die? Because (IMO) it is going to come to that at some point.

That advice is more appropriate for any would-be jackbooted thugs, than it is for patriotic, law-abiding American citizens, of which there are 90 million who are armed.

If the federales could somehow press all of the armed services personnel and every law enforcement officer in the country into confiscation duty, they wouldn't amount to more than about 5 million strong.

Even the most arrogant dictator would shrink from those odds.

Further incrementalism is their only choice, and they'd better be exceedingly careful as to what they say and do while they're at it. They're about two inches away from sparking something that they do not have the power to extinguish.

55 posted on 12/23/2012 5:55:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Perhaps some are. They’re going to need a lot more reinforcements (and body bags).


56 posted on 12/23/2012 6:31:31 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Windflier
Even the most arrogant dictator would shrink from those odds.

Unfortunately, Obama is a psychopath (I mean that in the true clinical sense of the term). His arrogance is not the problem per se, it is only one manifestation of his pathology. We can't assume that logic and a reasonable grasp of the situation will guide his actions in a practical direction.

IOW, we can't base any expectations of his behaviour on rational reasoning processes. This man's mental illness means we have a very loose cannon here. We should not assume that any action by him is without the realm of possibility.

57 posted on 12/23/2012 7:18:42 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: upchuck
You know the only thing scarier then an man with a gun is a Christian man with a gun. Jesus Christ conquered death, so believers have nothing to fear.

The question I ask these gun control morons is this: who exactly do you think will come and get my guns? The local Sheriff I know by name? The officers whom I chat with from time to time? Our local Government agents, who in reaction to the Sandy Hook massacre have introduced legislation to increase access to guns? Maybe they'll send the Armed Forces my way. Of course they forget that while they were raising their kids to protest the military we were teaching ours to serve.

It is possible that the semi-auto ban be reinstated. I have my doubts as long as the Republicans hold the House, but possible. But even Biden is not stupid enough to think that there is any way to collect our guns.

58 posted on 12/23/2012 7:27:47 PM PST by EagleInGA
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"Even the most arrogant dictator would shrink from those odds."

Unfortunately, Obama is a psychopath (I mean that in the true clinical sense of the term). His arrogance is not the problem per se, it is only one manifestation of his pathology. We can't assume that logic and a reasonable grasp of the situation will guide his actions in a practical direction.

Yes, but even the most insane would-be dictator needs a massive, and utterly obedient force to wrest complete and total control of a nation. It also requires an unarmed and cowed populace to achieve complete success.

Obama has neither of those things. He doesn't command complete loyalty within the government or military, either.

Without at least two of those three conditions in his favor, he doesn't stand a chance. Any dictator worth his salt would tell him that.

59 posted on 12/23/2012 7:29:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

how many people just surrendered when the police unilaterally declared confiscation? no law. no court order. they just took.

how many? It was just the law abiding that disarmed willingly.


60 posted on 12/23/2012 7:32:17 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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