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Americans Won't Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
Faultlineusa blog ^ | Monday, December 17, 2012 | J. D. Long street

Posted on 12/23/2012 1:26:07 PM PST by upchuck

Ordinarily, I'd agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut, there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

To those on the political and those pushing gun control -- in the childish naivete -- You need to understand two things: One -- Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That's one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.

If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs -- please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!

For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I'd go so far as to say some are even "leaning forward," eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.

Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to "pry the weapons from their cold dead hands." Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin -- and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion -- PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.

Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world -- combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran, France, and Germany combined! SOURCE: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?

And don't think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden -- and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?

A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. "Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as "scary looking" weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. "The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called “assault weapons” are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban... ." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99

Consider this: "Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.

The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99

As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns -- well within arm's length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed -- either with an "edged weapon" or a firearm.

Let's be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.

I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.

Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.

"Molṑn labéis" ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.

So what does "molon labe" mean? Well, it is an invitation -- and a challenge -- all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: "Come and take 'em."

Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: "Deo Vindici," which means: "God is with us."

This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but -- intend to win decisively.

J. D. Longstreet


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Some may feel this article is radical, even scaremongering.

I find it highly practical. Mr. Longstreet merely states in writing what many of us are already thinking.

1 posted on 12/23/2012 1:26:14 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

I will not comply.


2 posted on 12/23/2012 1:29:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: upchuck

>>Some may feel this article is radical, even scaremongering.<<

When I get back to Dallas after this vacation I am going to pick up a few more guns and a LOT of ammo.

I have been after the wife to learn arms use and safety. I going to shift to “INSIST” mode.


3 posted on 12/23/2012 1:32:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: upchuck

To give up your guns is to commit suicide. I, of course, have no guns, mind you.


4 posted on 12/23/2012 1:35:14 PM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: crosshairs
They can't round up 30 million illegals in plain sight let alone a couple hundred million guns.

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5 posted on 12/23/2012 1:38:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: upchuck

This is a strong, ASSERTIVE, statement.
It is not passive, it is not aggressive.

With all the liberal political correctness, most Americans are not used to hearing assertive speech.They mistakenly refer to being assertive as “scaremongering” or “aggressive.”
When people are not able to be assertive , they often end up ‘aggressive.”


6 posted on 12/23/2012 1:39:06 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
This is a strong, ASSERTIVE, statement.

Yes it is. And we sorely need more of this. MUCH more.

7 posted on 12/23/2012 1:43:10 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: upchuck


8 posted on 12/23/2012 1:43:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: upchuck

Every time an incident like this comes up, it’s the perfect time to discuss gun control.

Like how gun free zones are killing fields. Like having nobody allowd to have weapons to protect anyone in/around the school makes no sense when you’re dealing with murderers who don’t care about any laws - or lives, for that matter.

Like how a PERSON’S INTENT is what makes them dangerous, not whether they have a gun or not. Trying to break the stupid arguments and slogans of the left at times like this are critical because that’s what the usually sheeple folks are thinking about and talking about. Trying to get them to understand it’s the stupid disarming policies of law-abiding people that leave such people helpless to criminals - who have intent (INTENT) to do evil things of all sorts - that requires immediate countering of the left’s even more idiotic comments.

Like explaining why anyone should feel safer because they, their parents, their sons and daughters, are disarmed but the criminals will still have their weapons?

Like if we have rights to inane things like free birth control and abortion, free obamaphones, etc, surely we have a right to life - and inherent in that right to life, the right to self defense to preserve that life, up to lethal force to stop someone from killing us?

Like if the left really believes this, lets disarm all police, disarm the secret service, the military, and all the elite left’s bodyguards who can afford to pay someone else to carry a gun for them. Let’s disarm the Capitol police force and all security officers across government. FBI, DEA, ATF, IRS - no more guns for you guys. All police and sheriffs - no more guns. We’ll all be safer. Look how many less guns there will be to hurt others.

The left can’t just go unchallenged and have 100% control of the dialogue at these times. They aren’t shutting up and we shouldn’t either. It’s the BEST TIME to debate and have a chance to get people to really see disarmament only gets unarmed law-abiding people killed by criminals with murderous intent.

REFRAME THE ARGUMENT. We have to every time. It’s the INTENT of the person with the gun. There’s no problems with law-abiding people having any kind of gun they want. That’s not who’s doing this. They place the blame for this on every other person than the criminal herself (or himself).

And when you discuss this, use the female pronoun first, the libs like doing that - but onlyfor positive statements, we can see how they like it when it’s done for negative statements.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 1:43:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cripplecreek
When the Brits tried to take the firearms away from colonialists the colonialists went nuts and took the Brits to task in a deadly way. The Left is playing with an extremely dangerous fire by trying this again.

10 posted on 12/23/2012 1:47:16 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck

What will be the incident that will result in “We The People” asserting our rights?

Am I going to have to shoot the police when they come to the front door? Will there be some sort of armed march on a Fed Facility somewhere?

Should we start organizing in the neighborhood? Find out where the like minded souls live, plan the barricades?


11 posted on 12/23/2012 1:48:23 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: upchuck

“ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.”

That’d make a great tag line!


12 posted on 12/23/2012 1:49:26 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

EXCELLANT POST!!!!!!!!!

This HAS been a golden opportunity in disguise...It is WE who “have not let this crisis go to waste.” We have been front and center and done a good job this time reframing this whole issue...eg, La Piere of NRA on Sun news show today. Can you imagine....
1. The phrase now in the media: “gun free zones”
2. News anchors now saying ,”Well, uh, there really is confusion about what ‘assault weapon ‘means”
3. should we arm teachers or have armed guards?
4. What should we do about mentally ill people?
etc.

I have spent a lot of time talking to and sending educational emails to many friends!


13 posted on 12/23/2012 1:52:42 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: cripplecreek
They can't round up 30 million illegals in plain sight let alone a couple hundred million guns.

That's an excellent point. Gun owners should also respond the way the illegal foreign nationals have. "We don't like your laws! CHANGE THEM OR ELSE!"

14 posted on 12/23/2012 1:54:43 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: upchuck

One thing too that the Media should consider, many people consider them to be not only complicit but the enemy also when it comes to the 2nd amendment revocation and gun confiscation. And to many of those an enemy is also a target.

I’m not advocating this view, I’m just saying that there are those who believe that. Word to the wise, ya’know.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 1:55:29 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: upchuck

Bookmark.


16 posted on 12/23/2012 1:55:55 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: FlingWingFlyer

At this point I’ve got to agree with Rick Santorum. Congress is not going to save us. We have to hold the line at the state level.


17 posted on 12/23/2012 2:00:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: upchuck

18 posted on 12/23/2012 2:01:33 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: upchuck

I cannot express truly how much I appreciate Mr. Longstreet’s words in this article.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 2:03:24 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: upchuck

They just don’t get it. Whenever there are rumblings of gun control, or a president is elected that is pro gun control, americans buy more guns in response. If it wasn’t for gun control americans would probably only have half the guns they have.

The author is right, these arrogant politicos have no idea what they are dealing with, totally clueless.


20 posted on 12/23/2012 2:04:21 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: upchuck
A few days after the tragic Sandy Hook school murders, a young Marine in fatigues stationed himself at the front entrance of the Nashville elementary school his two children attend. Another parent heard him admit to a reporter that he was unarmed. The other parent commented that, even though the young Marine standing guard was not armed, it made him “feel better” to know he was there.

It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.

Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.

There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.

It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.

To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).

There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.

We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns.

Dick Bachert 12/19/2012

21 posted on 12/23/2012 2:08:44 PM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: upchuck

Thank you for posting this. It helps my spirit; however, my big concern is for the most part we are not organized.

We are mostly millions of lone wolves and thus sitting ducks for the jack booted thugs.

Any suggestions?


22 posted on 12/23/2012 2:24:47 PM PST by MachIV
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To: upchuck

Thank you for posting this. It is logical and reasoned. I would add the idea of operational security. No one has to know how many guns or bullets any American has. Thanks.


23 posted on 12/23/2012 2:29:34 PM PST by Hipshot 6 (Hipshot 6)
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To: The Working Man

Here is another thing to ponder. If owning a firearm becomes officially illegal and you are of the strong fabric that will not have a basic human right be removed with a stroke of a pen, what is left to prevent converting all those AR’s to full autos? I guess what I am saying is, when a person has made the decision to never give up their guns and is willing to fight to the death in keeping them, what prevents them from taking the already illegal semi-auto gun and making it a full auto?


24 posted on 12/23/2012 2:39:03 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: cripplecreek

I am eagerly anticipating Andrew Cuomo’s plan to ban guns in NY. This is going to be fun. The creator of the housing crisis during his tenure at HUD is going to try an take my guns.....Hahahaha.

None of us will surrender any of our weapons, sell them to the state, now or ever.

I know Many NYS troopers who will not go out on any such confiscations. Heck, the guy (FFL) who I buy my AR’s from is a sherrif’s deputy.

Good luck Andy....even your law enforcement won’t help you.


25 posted on 12/23/2012 2:55:03 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: GRRRRR

There are no local police within 30 miles of me, but if the sheriff did manage to make it up to my driveway, I’d invite him to have at searching the roughly 1500 acres of forest behind me. Should keep him busy for at least two or three years.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 2:55:46 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I tried it. Too long. I’m with you.
27 posted on 12/23/2012 2:58:12 PM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: rockinqsranch

Dittoes to that!


28 posted on 12/23/2012 3:00:26 PM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: MachIV
What did the patriots do in 1775?

It worked then,why not now?

29 posted on 12/23/2012 3:04:23 PM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: MachIV
What did the patriots do in 1775?

It worked then,why not now?

30 posted on 12/23/2012 3:05:25 PM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: cripplecreek

Dunno. There is a difference - they WANT your guns.

Illegals are here to fill in for the children we murdered and hopefully put the collapse of Social Security back one generation - why do you think the SS Admin won’t cooperate with the ICE? No one in DC wants them gone.


31 posted on 12/23/2012 3:06:25 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Little Ray

So who is going to come and get them? There are millions of guns that have never even required registration.


32 posted on 12/23/2012 3:09:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: painter

It didn’t work. If the French hadn’t intervened, we would have likely lost. Who are we going call in for assistance this time? Who hates the US enough to send troops and arms?

Our only real hope would be if the majority of the US Armed Forces kicked in on our side.


33 posted on 12/23/2012 3:10:36 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: upchuck
I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains

What brains?

34 posted on 12/23/2012 3:11:09 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: upchuck

About 23 years ago I bought several AK-47 magazines real cheap. I don’t even have an AK or anything to use it in.

I used to know a mechanical engineer whose wife bought dozens of AK rifles just because they were cheap and Clinton was threatening to ban them.


35 posted on 12/23/2012 3:15:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

From the TEXAS Declaration of Independence from Mexico..

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texdec.asp

“It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”

36 posted on 12/23/2012 3:22:04 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Dick Bachert

We are liberals...they are filthy communists.

I am a liberal....I believe in Liberty. They do not believe in liberty, they believe in communism. Socialists are communists.


37 posted on 12/23/2012 3:35:49 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Dutch Boy

Good point. However, full automatic is very wasteful of ammo, and semi-automatic is more effective for most tasks since full-automatic ‘sprays’ are not properly aimed.


38 posted on 12/23/2012 3:38:21 PM PST by expat2
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To: expat2

I understand that having been in the Army. Rather one well placed round that a hundred near misses.

I asked this as more of a philosophical question than a tactical one. Once the worms get out of the can, what is the next in the line of progression. I can see a path that one everything becomes illegal, nothing will be illegal. It could turn into something completely unintended. Having read a bit of history, Americans tend to not behave well when pushed against their will.


39 posted on 12/23/2012 3:50:50 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Little Ray
If the French hadn’t intervened, we would have likely lost. Who are we going call in for assistance this time?

Who do we call? Our 90 million gun-owning friends and neighbors, that's who.

American gun owners comprise the largest armed force on the planet. We dwarf the American military, which comprises roughly 1.5 million active duty personnel.

And yes - if push came to shove, most of them would side with the people.

40 posted on 12/23/2012 3:51:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: upchuck
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers

No, it won't.

Replace "government law officers" with "United Nations mercenaries" and you are onto something.

41 posted on 12/23/2012 3:52:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

UN mercenaries from where? Usually, when the call goes out, thousands of shoeless Africans show up since their government gets paid by the head to ‘donate’ them to the cause. The US usually ends up outfitting them with everything.


42 posted on 12/23/2012 3:56:39 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: upchuck

Isn’t it nice to read an article like this? Straight shooting. No BS. No politically cowrecked crap. Just the facts.


43 posted on 12/23/2012 4:00:28 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Windflier

It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]


44 posted on 12/23/2012 4:02:57 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Windflier

It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]


45 posted on 12/23/2012 4:03:10 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Using U.N. enforcers would be an even more disastrous attempt.

I would think most Americans would have far less hesitation to pull the trigger against a foreigner than a U.S. jackboot.

46 posted on 12/23/2012 4:06:16 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the UN is going to send in “mercenaries”, pray how are they getting here? In most UN operations, the U.S. military is the one that transports them because most of those “peacekeepers” have no way to transport themselves to the scene of the crime. If the U.S. military doesn’t go along with illegal orders like this, then the UN goons will have to take a tramp freighter. Also, who will transport their vehicles and do their logistics? The morons at the UN have no clue — they’re too busy salting money away in the Caymans or Swiss banks.
47 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:28 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: upchuck

A couple of salient points for the anti-gun folks out there.

Mexico with 112 million citizens and rigid gun control had in excess of 11,000 gun related homicides in 2010. Almost none were defensive.

The United States with 311 million citizens had just over 9,000. Many were defensive with armed citizens defending life or property.

How is that gun control thing working out for Mexico?


48 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:41 PM PST by Ben Mugged ("Life's tough..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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To: Windflier; Little Ray

I am 100% in like mind with this post.

But I think if we plan on protecting ourselves we need to be realistic about what we can expect.

Unless the commies slip up and move too fast they are going to get a lot of their goal by incrementalism. It’s worked for 40 years and it is still working. It helps having a completely compliant press working for them.

As far as the military (and the police and national guard) is concerned, “they” are methodically destroying the service from within at a very fast rate. That “most” would side with the people is still possible, but will not be for a lot longer.

Gun owners had better think long and hard, and be prepared to do what our founding fathers were willing to do. Are you willing to die? Because (IMO) it is going to come to that at some point.

I’m not being negative, or defeatist. It will come to that and we will have to demonstrate the incredible stoicism and character of our forefathers if we expect to have a chance.


49 posted on 12/23/2012 4:47:47 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

My uniformed colleagues and I used to have some interesting discussions on the normally boring mid-watches. We would come up with a certain scenario and spend the next 3 or 4 days discussing how to best respond. I’ll bet we weren’t alone and I’ll also wager that’s still going on.


50 posted on 12/23/2012 4:58:35 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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