Posted on 01/13/2013 12:52:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
How ironic!
Hannity is ranting and raving about succession and his home state of New York is one of the unlikeliest states to leave.
Maybe he’ll have to move.
Hey Sean, pick someplace besides South Carolina, okay?
Secession need not be violent, but like a typical Yankee that is the first thing you think of - violence.
Sad to say, I've been thinking that for a while, now.
More generally, splitting up the union would confirm that our era was over, and a lot of American rhetoric is going to sound quite hollow when we have to live with our failure to endure.
I agree with the second half of your statement, and I grieve for the country we allowed to fall into socialism. There are a lot of reasons that happened, too lengthy to go into here, and we're all familiar with them anyway.
On the other hand, if we had our own country, we could tweak the Constitution to absolutely prohibit socialism, wealth redistribution and government meddling in the economy except to enforce contracts (the real purpose of government as envisioned by the Founders).
It would also give us the opportunity to FINALLY have a capitalist society right next to their socialist society to once and for all settle the argument about socialism versus capitalism. I would even egg them on to make their new country MORE socialist, just for higher contrast. Of course, those idiots would continue to deny the power of capitalism even while they were living in cardboard boxes they stole from across the border in our capitalist country.
I took an elective in college, an anthropology class, and one statement made by the proff that stuck with me all these years was “all borders are temporary”. And, there’s no reason to believe that the U.S. is an exception to this. In fact, recently read an interesting book, “The Next 100 Years”, author George Friedman who makes some interesting predictions on the coming political relationship between Mexico and our southern border states. While I realize that futurists are right down there with economists when it comes to predicting things it’s still a thought provoking read. Recommend it for sure.
I agree. Hannity’s jumped the shark.
Well, I'd agree with you except for one tiny little flaw - zero and the Congress have destroyed the rule of law and shredded the Constitution. The 17th Amendment effectively ended any real protection of state's rights, so now where does that put us??
Unfortunately, IMO, the only way to restore the Constitution and save America is to temporarily destroy the country through secession. Once the left has created its socialist paradise for its sycophants (who will be required to live there for a minimum of 10 years before they can emigrate to the United States of Conservative America), they will finally understand that it was conservatives all along who funded their deviant lifestyles and their lack of any requirement to support themselves.
After 10 years in their socialist h#ll, working for a living and having a small government that doesn't rob every available spare penny from the people who earned it won't look so bad to the DU and Daily Kos krowd!!
Looks like the idea of secession is becoming more mainstream everyday. If someone like Hannity who lives in fear of his advertisers, says this on air, wow. It must rally upset you.....
Yeah Reb, it ‘’rally’’ upsets me. I like living in The United States of America and wouldn’t want to live in some neo-European balkanized crap-hole you would seem to prefer.
I will have to start listening to Sean again, he is starting to get it.
You do that Reb, and you’ll have another ignoramus who wants to live in a balkanized crap-hole like you do.
Like all the other immature unionist thug Lincoln Coven members, you always want the last post.
Jeez Reb, irony is sure lost on you ,isn’t it?
Go right ahead but you're rally gonna be disappointed... ;-)
Right now you find a lot of people basically vote against some other, faraway part of the country. They vote against what they think New York or Los Angeles or Boston (or Mississippi or Oklahoma or Alabama) represents. Split up the country, and, sure, free of that other part you are free to be more conservative (or more liberal).
But after a while, you can't vote against people who aren't even part of your country so the solidarity begins to crack. When the other side isn't somebody far away, but a neighbor, politics can start to change from what it has been, and you may just find that a generation down the road things aren't so different politically within the seceded states as they are now.
In so far as people do have strong opinions about politics tradition is a factor. When you have to cross a border (or more than one border) to go to Jamestown or Plymouth or Independence Hall or Valley Forge or Mount Vernon or Gettysburg or the Statue of Liberty or Mount Rushmore or Yellowstone or Yosemite that sense of being an American and all that it implies is going to be weakened.
Libertarians may tell you that a country truly committed to its principles may be as small as Andorra or San Marino, but I'm not so sure. Psychologically, breaking up is bound to be a major trauma, and people born afterwards will have a very different perspective -- I'd say a much shorter and grimmer one. That may be true whatever happens, though.
Had the Confederacy won the Civil War, it may have decided on December 7, 1941, that Pearl Harbor was a Yankee problem (of course, without Southern Democrats voting in 1932, Roosevelt may not have been President, and Pearl Harbor may not have happened - who knows?). Had that happened, the Northern states would have had to fight the Japanese and the Germans with perhaps 2/3 of the population they actually had, and perhaps subsequently lost.
That could have led to a German invasion of the North American continent, and all of the resultant destruction that could have caused. All of that is speculation, of course. My point is, the surviving countries need to be strong enough to hold off any challengers. Whether the liberal dominated country would ultimately have the will to even fight for their territory if challenged is another question.
It will happen in our lifetimes, count on it.
The reality is that for a large nation, the average time it can stay together is about 250. How old is the USA, 233 years?
I fear where all this is heading, as I know all of you do as well. I just pray that only the Will of God will be done in the unfolding of events. I pray that He will deliver us from the necessity of secession and civil war. I pray for a new Great Awakening, for I believe that would be the true key for our deliverance.
Not quite on topic, but I was at the grocery store a little while ago. I was getting ready to pay my bill, and while I was looking for the money denomination, I commented that I was looking for the correct President to give her in payment. As the bill as rather high, but under $100, I said, “Well, he’s not a president, but I’ll bet Benjamin will suffice.”
The precious angel bagging the groceries, said, “He was too a president, wasn’t he?”
I told her, “no, truly he wasn’t.”
“Then why is he on the money if he wasn’t a president?”
I said, “because he was a Founder. We all owe Benjamin Franklin a LOT!”
Then the checker who had been listening piped in, “Well, wasn’t he the one who wrote the Declaration of Independence?” (She had to reach for that one, but finally shook it off from the dusts of her memory.)
I said, “No, he did not write it, but was on the committee which wrote it. Thomas Jefferson actually wrote it. Franklin was very instrumental in getting it signed.”
The checker asked, “are you a history teacher?”
I said, “No, just someone who really loves the history of the Founding.”
The checker said I should be. I thanked her, but said that I didn’t know enough to do that.
At that point I asked if they had seen the musical “1776.” Neither of them had. I told them if they ever saw it on TV, to give it a try. It is quite moving and delightfully entertaining. Give it 10 minutes, then if they couldnt stand it, move on....but my guess is that if they gave it the 10 minutes they would watch it all.
The checker and the bagger were both of similar college age, (in fact the bagger is taking American History or Government!) I do wish them well, and hope I was able to encourage them to learn more.
All we can do is drop the seeds and hope they fall on fallow ground...and we never really know, do we? That is in the hand of the One whose paygrade is way above ours!
I just this instant saw this article on Yahoo about Texas secession:
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-texas-must-remain-part-us-212720777.html
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