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To support the Gang of Ocho's amnesty bill you have to believe Barack Obama but not Bill Maher
Coach is Right ^ | 6/11/13 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 06/11/2013 8:57:32 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

HBO’s Bill Maher recently spoke the truth about the Gang of Ocho’s amnesty bill saying, “…. They [Republicans] know …they’re just creating more Democrats.”

Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte doesn’t understand this. Anyone who denies this or doesn’t understand the destructive results of this amnesty bill is a jackass. As per Ockham’s razor Ayotte and the four dunces masquerading as conservatives in the Gang of Ocho are jackasses.

If this was say, March 1, Ayotte could possibly be excused for her stupidity. Three months ago most conservatives only suspected Barack Obama is a liar with the worst of intentions toward America. If Ayotte announced her support for the Democrats’ amnesty bill then it could be overlooked as sloppy staff work. That was then, but this is now. Ayotte and anyone who supports the amnesty bill today must be seen as...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; democratparty; illegalaliens; mexicans
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Liz; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; DoughtyOne
I wonder what Mitch means by "more than an assurance" from Napolitano, considering that the govt. has never honored enforcement provisions in any amnesty in any meaningful way?

McConnell then says he'll look to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for more than an "assurance": “I’m going to need more than an assurance from Secretary Napolitano, for instance, that the border is secure to feel comfortable about the situation on the border. Too often recently, we have been reminded that as government grows it becomes less responsible to the American people, and fails to perform basic functions either through incompetence or willful disregard of the wishes of Congress. Our continued failure to secure major portions of the border not only makes true immigration reform far more difficult; it presents an urgent threat to national security.

41 posted on 06/11/2013 2:10:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Liz; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; DoughtyOne

Mitch is a lying sack of shiite. Nappy told a senate committee in April, regarding border enforcement:

“Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano declared that she, President Barack Obama and other political officials at the top of this administration have the authority to decide which laws to enforce, and which ones to ignore.”


42 posted on 06/11/2013 2:15:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs
How about this poison pill? (The one problem with it is that you know an administration from either party would want to fudge, or outright lie about, the apprehension numbers, AND it might be what a Rand Paul needs to cover his *** to vote for it).

Where the bill's fate could be sealed in the Senate is with a vote on an amendment introduced by Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas). Cornyn's amendment uses the 90 percent apprehension mark as a hard trigger before the path to citizenship can be enacted. It also includes provisions to monitor every segment of the Southern border and implement a nationwide "E-verify" system and a "biometric exit" system that would ensure workers don't overstay their visas. In other words, Cornyn's amendment would impose much stronger border security requirements before the path to citizenship could be activated — and might mean that it never gets activated at all. That's why Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats view this as a "poison pill" amendment that may kill the legislation.

43 posted on 06/11/2013 2:25:15 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Liz; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; DoughtyOne

Mitch will probably vote against it if he knows it will pass anyway.


44 posted on 06/11/2013 2:31:44 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Liz; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; DoughtyOne

” Mitch will probably vote against it if he knows it will pass anyway.”

Naturally.


45 posted on 06/11/2013 2:34:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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RE :”Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems like this initial vote to proceed passed by a bigger margin than the GWB/mccain/kennedy amnesty in 2007, and that's not a good sign.”

Yep, that was much worse than I thought it would be. 82-15.

Dems plan is to get at least 70 on the final vote to ‘force’ the GOP House to pass it without major changes

If it fails like the gun bill did, then the votes FOR it now wont matter for those that vote to kill it at the end,

But if it makes it out of Senate then all 82 are traitors and it is a massive sellout by them, even if some of them vote against it at the end.

46 posted on 06/11/2013 7:38:10 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Oldpuppymax; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; Liz; DoughtyOne
Yep, that was much worse than I thought it would be. 82-15.

One reason that I would like to see more NO votes now, even though members can vote NO later, is that the margin of YESes probably lowers the morale of any potential anti-amnesty voters, and of course does the opposite for the bad guys.

But if it makes it out of Senate then all 82 are traitors and it is a massive sellout by them, even if some of them vote against it at the end.

Cornyn, for example, who voted YES, might be trying to avoid p***ing off the Dems, so that his "90% apprehension rate" (poison pill) amendment would be better received by the enemy. Maybe Joe Manchin?

Seeems like odds of passing that amendment (in the senate anyway) are pretty darned small.

47 posted on 06/11/2013 8:22:23 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”Cornyn, for example, who voted YES, might be trying to avoid p***ing off the Dems, so that his “90% apprehension rate” (poison pill) amendment would be better received by the enemy. Maybe Joe Manchin? “

As we saw they rejected Cruz’s amendments on the spot in committee knowing what he was up to.

What Republicans need to do is offer amendments for votes that makes the bill look like what Rubio kept promising conservatives that it is.
Examples : No $$$ from government meaning no EITC and they must support their kids w no help from taxpayers like food stamps,. And identify theft counts against them. No locally paid welfare either and they must pay for their own and dependents health insurance with their own money(they must be insured.)

Dems would have to kill them in votes but that would put the Senate Republicans on the spot if later they want to vote for the bill and claim they thought it was the bill that Rubio promised it was.

I can just see 2016 here :'They lied to the GOP again just like they did to Reagan. These Dems are downright evil. We must vote everyone out of office even if that means holding our noses and voting for every GOP who we hate, like McCain and Grahamnesty. This never would have happened if NO Dem held office.'

48 posted on 06/11/2013 9:02:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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As we saw they rejected Cruz’s amendments on the spot in committee knowing what he was up to.

Cornyn might have a little better luck on the floor than Cruz did in committee, (You know, WV rednecks calling Manchin's office) but - How many votes does it take to pass an amendment? 60? Whew!

Dems would have to kill them in votes but that would put the Senate Republicans on the spot if later they want to vote for the bill and claim they thought it was the bill that Rubio promised it was.

Yes, but do they really care whether Dems take over? In the long run, evidently not. They may not care much what the GOP base thinks any more because they have their retirement nest well prepared!

49 posted on 06/11/2013 10:25:17 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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” I can just see 2016 here :’They lied to the GOP again just like they did to Reagan. These Dems are downright evil. We must vote everyone out of office even if that means holding our noses and voting for every GOP who we hate, like McCain and Grahamnesty. This never would have happened if NO Dem held office.’ “

Won’t wash with the people this time....the ultimate betrayal. I’m polishing up my guillotine, getting ready for French Revolution 2....the Sequal : )


50 posted on 06/12/2013 9:27:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Oldpuppymax; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; ...

” Yes, but do they really care whether Dems take over? In the long run, evidently not.”

Yep.

Just switch parties, when their state turns blue.


51 posted on 06/12/2013 9:29:24 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Oldpuppymax; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3
'They lied to the GOP again just like they did to Reagan. These Dems are downright evil. We must vote everyone out of office even if that means holding our noses and voting for every GOP who we hate, like McCain and Grahamnesty. This never would have happened if NO Dem held office.'

The first people I would get rid of are McCain and Graham. The other two Republican members of the gang of eight would join them.

Who needs Democrats, when the Republicans are as bad or worse then they are?

Get solid Republicans in office, and that will stop a lot of this nonsense.

52 posted on 06/12/2013 9:35:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Give me your tired, your hungry..., wait, we've got them. They're our citizens... What about them?)
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To: DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Oldpuppymax; SeekAndFind; ...

” Who needs Democrats, when the Republicans are as bad or worse then they are?”

Worse, because they knew better, and still sold out the country.


53 posted on 06/12/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well..., I understand where you’re coming from, but I remain unconvinced John McCain knows better. As for still selling out the nation, I’m on board.

McCain is just a life-long f—k up to the nth degree.


54 posted on 06/12/2013 9:52:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Give me your tired, your hungry..., wait, we've got them. They're our citizens... What about them?)
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To: DoughtyOne

” t I remain unconvinced John McCain knows better. “

IMHO, McCain is damaged(war) goods. He is a psycho.


55 posted on 06/12/2013 10:32:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

When I look at his life, I see a man who started out as a kid who enjoyed beating up other kids on the schoolyard, screwed around in higher eduction in a vile way, didn’t take his flight school training seriously, didn’t know better (morally) than to participate in the Keating fiasco, and continued to do things that weakened this nation again and again.

Now I’m not immune to the idea he may have been damaged in the war, but my take on it is that he they didn’t have to tweak this severely flawed person much to turn him into what he is today.

The guy has no soul. He is the human equivalent of Darth Vader IMO. He gets off by screwing others, you and I, the nation, whatever he can damage that was once wholesome.

Call me a person with a screw loose if you want, this is John McCain as far as I can tell.


56 posted on 06/12/2013 10:42:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Give me your tired, your hungry..., wait, we've got them. They're our citizens... What about them?)
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To: DoughtyOne

” The guy has no soul. He is the human equivalent of Darth Vader IMO. He gets off by screwing others, you and I, the nation, whatever he can damage that was once wholesome.”

Absolutely, but does this not describe a psycho ? : )


57 posted on 06/12/2013 10:52:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I’m not trying to make the case he isn’t damaged. I don’t think normal people are capable of what McCain seems willing to do. To a degree I think something akin to psychobabble is all that covers it.


58 posted on 06/12/2013 11:22:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Give me your tired, your hungry..., wait, we've got them. They're our citizens... What about them?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj

No, they are so stupid that they actually believe this will help the GOP.


59 posted on 06/12/2013 12:37:15 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj

” No, they are so stupid that they actually believe this will help the GOP.”

I just can’t believe anyone who is a professional politician can be that stupid. I believe they are traitors who have been bought by bankers, and the Chamber of Commerce.


60 posted on 06/12/2013 12:43:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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