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"...it's time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense....

Posted on 07/19/2013 8:45:12 AM PDT by roofgoat

"...it's time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods."

When I heard the above earlier this week from Mr. Holder at the NAACP meeting in FL, I was not shocked. I was impressed with the fact that this Administration continues to tell the public CLEARLY (make no mistake) exactly what their plan/agenda is for "New America".

And Mr. Holder and President Obama will continue to make it clear. And most of the public, including too many republican gun owners, will continue to deny what they see is happening right before their eyes.

For some, it's too much to fathom so denial is the answer. For the small % that are not afraid to admit what's coming, it's pretty stressful if you have family.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: doj; holder; race; zimmerman
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1 posted on 07/19/2013 8:45:12 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

Rats hate any law that allows a person t be independent of the state.


2 posted on 07/19/2013 8:47:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: roofgoat

I’m at a complete loss as to why Holder cares anything about laws.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 8:49:13 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: roofgoat

To say they are crazy and without logic is an understatement.

In THEIR version of events, TRAYVON was justified because he was acting in self defense.

Maybe we should also call the earth flat, because it was round that day.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 8:50:02 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: roofgoat

God bless the children inheriting this country. I sincerely hope the are able to turn the ship around.


5 posted on 07/19/2013 8:50:28 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: roofgoat

The obamaroid regime tells America to ‘memorialize’ the thug wannabe, Trayvon Martin, who profiled an Hispanic man and then tried to bash his brains out on a concrete sidewalk. This campaign to remove stand your ground and armed self defense laws is the proof that Hispanics are the latest pawns the democrip party wants to use to serve their anti-American agenda. BUT will Hispanics see the truth of what this devilish regime is trying to do, in the name of the democrips party? We can only hope Hispanics see what the democrips have in mind, to replace the black pawns used for decades to empower the party.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 8:50:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: roofgoat

Laws for thee but not me me.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Rats hate any law that allows a person t be independent of the state.”

When criminals get elected they pass laws and regulations enabling criminals.


8 posted on 07/19/2013 8:54:28 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: roofgoat

Liberals want to turn America into the Serengeti where the predators roam freely picking off the slowest weakest members of the herd.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 8:54:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: roofgoat

Blacks are justified in giving Whitey a beatdown.
And Whitey is obligated to take it.

It’s in the Constitution — check the penumbra.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 8:55:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: keats5

“I’m at a complete loss as to why Holder cares anything about laws.”

Maybe he cares about having something to enforce on other people.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 8:55:35 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: roofgoat

In the early 90’s, I was doing some work for a rancher in the northern panhandle of TX. His wife said they were staunch Dumocrats. He had a gun cabinet built into a wall with over fifty long guns. I asked how they felt about the Dummies wanting to take our guns. They thought that was Republican propaganda. I’ve always wanted to go back and ask what they think now. I was a Dumocrat until I started listening to Rush. Our media (Amarillo) had repeated the lies our Dummie representative told about protecting our gun rights. With Rush and being able to see what went on in Washington on CSPAN, we conservatives booted the liberals out and that area is now firmly Republican (though we need to scrap that party or take it back).


12 posted on 07/19/2013 8:55:40 AM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: roofgoat

The idea that is sowing dangerous conflicts in neighborhoods is that which says you should brutally attack anyone for perceived “disrespect”.


13 posted on 07/19/2013 8:56:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Yeah, I agree. If someone is a serious threat to my life or the lives of my family, I should be able to stalk them down, and kill them in self defense. We shouldn't have to wait until the threat comes to us. Call it the make your own ground law.

A law like that would drive the loons right out of their minds, ...albeit a short trip.

14 posted on 07/19/2013 8:57:01 AM PDT by pallis
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It may be that this talk at an NAACP speech is just rhetoric but I am taking a ‘wait-and-see’ attitude.

Hold-Em should step carefully with regard to current gun laws, ‘stand your ground’ and the CONSTITUTION of The Untied States of America.

The recent ‘gun-contol’ debacle did not pass.


15 posted on 07/19/2013 8:58:16 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: MrB

Hey - man you talkin’ back to me?
Take him out
You gotta keep ‘em separated

Hey - man you disrespecting me?
Take him out
You gotta keep ‘em separated


16 posted on 07/19/2013 8:58:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Wasn’t that a “white” band that recorded that?


17 posted on 07/19/2013 8:59:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Well, they’re pretty fly for white guys.


18 posted on 07/19/2013 9:00:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek
Liberals want to turn America into the Serengeti where the predators roam freely picking off the slowest weakest members of the herd.

The upside is that we'll get a whole new genre of National Geographic specials.

19 posted on 07/19/2013 9:00:27 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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I feel compelled to point out the paradox of late in the gun control issue.

While their may be and has been a lot of political rhetoric admonishing guns and promoting more controlling laws and regulations, the actuality at the state and local levels have been a trend to more support of citizens rights to own, carry and use guns. State laws have been trending for many years towards protecting the gun owner that defends themselves.

IL just became the 50th state to update laws that make owning and carrying a weapon legal (not without some infringement of course). But the adoption of Castle Doctrines and Stand Your Ground Laws, along with the expansion of some reciprocity, the citizens are winning this at local levels.

It’s the Fed that talks and balks. Because they can’t do much when they can’t control opinions and mandates at local levels. Our concern about the Fed needs to focus on their finding a back door to circumvent state rights and turn the issue into a national commerce issue. Here is where we need to focus on what the libs will try next.

Interstate Commerce can be regulated constitutionally (as currently interpreted). The Feds charter is not intended to limit interstate commerce as they did with health insurance companies years ago. But rather to facilitate and unify the states efforts in things like currency, transportation, etc. However, this administration can be expected to use this usurped power to regulate things like ammunition, distribution, manufacturing, etc.

Look for the fed to try and restrict distribution across state lines (like produce). Look for them to regulate the manufacturing of ammunition (or tax it for Homeland Security Revenue).

I doubt the Fed will get anywhere with individual rights or weapons bans. That will still get decided at state levels per constituency. But they will find ways to make gun ownership too expensive or troublesome so as to cause folks to break laws by choice or by ignorance.

Remain diligent FRiends.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 9:01:38 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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