Posted on 08/24/2013 9:11:34 AM PDT by ken5050
Talk about being hoisted on your own petard...hamstrung by your own rhetoric..or whatever. There's only one reason that Obama hasn't called out Assad for crossing the supposed "red line" on using WMDs. That's because Assad got his nerve gas, and other goodies, from Saddam..just before the war began...there were many documented stories about secret, late-night convoys from Bagdad to secret Syrian military bases. So, Saddam DID in fact possess WMDs..and that means....gasp...BUSH WAS RIGHT!!
It is nothing new. The Soviets equipped the Ba’athist Governments of both Iraq and Syria to be compatible with the Warsaw Pact military - including their heavy emphasis on chemical warfare. Both countries had large stockpiles.
Since such stockpiles are big and heavy, if you had to redeploy them, you might want to haul Iraqi stocks out by land or sea rather than air. Sea options were pretty much from Basra through a tight gauntlet of Western navies, or through Syria, where they could remain pre-positioned in theater, or be more quickly evacuated through the Russian naval base there. Pretty clear choice for the Russians.
That would make Obama, and several hundred other Democrats, look like complete idiots, and not worthy of being entrusted with the nation’s security..
I do not need Assad to reveal anything nor anyone else for that matter as I already understand that Obama and many Democrats are not worthy of being entrusted with anything...
I am not sure if 0bozo would do anything anyway, but some of them are not doubt from Saddam’s arsenal.
YUP!!!!
And thanks to Obozo we lost the victory we had in Iraq!
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...WHAT an a hole he is.
thank you for posting this!
Thanks for the link..
I always assumed that’s where the WMDS went. The Ba’ath Party is still in power in Syria.
No, no.. that aspect of the story will be ignored. The 1960's Marxist-Alinsky campus psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue in the "Government-Academic-MSM Establishment" will spin the story as
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!! because he didn't stop the WMD transfer.
“This has pretty much been known for years, but not reported in the mainstream media for the reason you cite: it would have made the Democrats (and the mainstream media) look like partisan liars.”
If this is true, the question is why didn’t Bush and Cheney make this information public and go into Syria to eradicate these weapons? After all, the rationale given by President Bush and Colin Powell for invading Iraq was to capture and eliminate Sadaam’s weapons of mass destruction. If Bush knew the weapons had been moved to Syria, he lied to the American people. No different than Obama.
It is interesting Bush changed the mission almost immediately after the invasion from looking for weapons of mass destruction to nation building.
Assad and Syria were allies of Iran. Iran has always been the big threat to the US, not Iraq. Why did George Bush invade Iraq when the weapons were gone? Why didn’t he invade Iran and take out Iran’s nuclear program? It was (and is) a much more credible threat to the homeland.
Our leaders from both parties have been dishonest with the American people in committing troops to war. Our founding fathers cautioned us to stay out of foreign entanglements. After WWII if we had followed their advice we would have saved over 100,000 lives of US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam. We would have saved trillions of taxpayer dollars by forcing western Europe to man and pay for its own defense against the Soviet Union.
If we had followed the advice of the founders we would not have incurred the wrath of the Muslim world by entangling ourselves in the affairs of the sovereign nations of the Middle East. 9/11 resulted from decades of covert and overt involvement in Middle Eastern affairs over several decades. If we had not involved ourselves in propping up corrupt regimes in the region (from the Shah to Mubarak), sending arms in the 1980’s to the Afghan “freedom” fighters, trying to force peace negotiations between Israel and Middle Eastern nations, or putting ground troops in the region these people would not have any reason to launch terror attacks against us. Note Al Qaeda is not targeting China with suicide airline attacks. China is also not putting troops on the ground in the Middle East, overtly trying to manage diplomatic relations between Middle Eastern nations, or funding the militaries of dictatorships in the region.
The Middle East has been a conflict ridden sewer since Biblical times. In hindsight if after WWII we had stood back and let the Soviet Union get sucked fully into the quagmire of the Middle East, including trying to govern Afghanistan, the Soviet Empire might have fallen quicker than it did. Our involvement in Middle Eastern affairs since 1945 has done nothing for our national security.
Our leaders never seem to consider that if we stopped trying to influence events in a region, other nations would act in their own interest to bring a balance of power. India sits as a counter to both communist China and Pakistan. Iran and the Saudi’s are enemies. Turkey does not want to see either Iran or Saudi Arabia dominate the Middle East. The Europeans depend much more on Middle East oil than we do and if we butted out, they’d have to get involved in order to protect their oil supplies. In very recent times our interference is directly responsible for the turmoil in Egypt today and the reimposition of military rule. Had we not backed the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt would be more stable. If we weren’t funding the Egyptian military, the oil producing states would have to fund it in order to keep the Iranians from influencing Egypt.
The founders understood that it is foolhardy to be involved in the affairs of nations far from our shores. The average American citizen today is more likely to be killed by an drunken illegal immigrant driver from Mexico, El Salvador, or Honduras than an Al Qaeda terrorist. Had this nation spent the last 70 years securing our borders instead of fighting wars in other nations, our country would not be bankrupt and our nation would not be drowning in the social problems caused by open borders. Had we stayed out of Vietnam, the marxist leftists might not have taken over the Democrat Party. If our leaders had focused on American interests instead of globalism we would have maintained our historical tariff structure and still have a manufacturing infrastructure serving the domestic market and providing middle class jobs.
Bring our military home, build a missile defense system, secure the borders, throw out the criminal illegals and focus on rebuilding our nation including achieving energy independence. Let the Europeans deal with protecting their oil supplies or deal with the consequences of not doing so. It isn’t the responsibility of the US taxpayer. Let Israel form its own alliances and sink or swim. The US cannot protect Israel forever. After 60 years it needs to find a way, on its own, to protect itself. If it cannot stand on its own, it will ultimately fail anyway. Let India, Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan, and Australia counter the Chinese. In fact if we pull back to the Western Hemisphere, Russia will have to focus its attention on Chinese expansion.
This nation has many geographic advantages. Two oceans protect us from land invasion from Asia and Europe. The Mississippi river system provides low cost water transportation to support an advanced manufacturing infrastructure in the heartland as well as move agricultural products. We have abundant natural resources that give us the capability of being self sufficient. We have the population size to create consumer and industrial markets with manufacturing scale and therefore be self sufficient in manufacturing as we were until the 1960’s. By trying to influence the affairs of nations outside our hemisphere we have only wasted lives and economic resources.
Irag, you rag, rag mama, rag!
I have always wondered why Bush backed off on this - there’ were even photos of the turck convoys from Iraq to Syris/Lebenon...there the reports on the flights and the whole rest of it - but instead of pushing those credible reports - with surveilance photos/videos - (I think Colin Powell even presented one at the UN early on - why the Bush administratin backed off and ‘admitted’ no WMDs!
Powell’s reprot to the UN - which, after the new rhetoric of NO WMD came out, he disclaimed. Wonder what they have on him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dhS5POn_ig
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-39647.html
below, an article from Dec 2012
excerpt:
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As for Assad’s chemical weapons stockpile, Vallely tells Newsmax: “The chemical weapons certainly were there. They’re originally cached from Iraq. That was done in 2003. There were three burial sites of the WMDs — chemical, biological — two sites in Syria and one in [Lebanon’s] Bekaa Valley.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Vallely-Assad-Hitler-Kerry/2012/12/21/id/468778
WOLVERINES !!!
Heres a little something you should know friend. We can argue the merits of invading Iraq from now to doomsday but it was the Israelis who did the real job. In June of 1981 they took out Saddams reactor which was about to go on line.(courtesy of the French) Had they not done so Saddam would have a nukes thirty years ago and the Middle East and the world would be a very different place today.
Pentagon Completes Secret Shipment Of 500 Tons Of Uranium From Iraq To Canada
That is a great point —
“Has Assad threatened to reveal the source of his WMDs?”
A simple web search will suffice to educate you about Syrian chemical weapons. Your assumption that Syria had no chem weapons before receiving Saddam’s is common on this site and flat out WRONG. Syria already had one of the largest stockpiles of chem weapons in the world long before Saddam sent his over. I know it makes you feel vindicated to assume that Syria is using Saddam’s weapons, but that is just wishful thinking without a shred of evidence to support your assumptions one way or another.
It’s great speculation, however.
Yes has been known for years. Saddam’s #2 general in the Air Force, Georges Sada, said the WMD were sent to Syria by Chemical Ali. There were 56 WMD flights disguised as relief flights from Iraq to Syria in 2002.
Sada was Saddam’s only Christian general, and ironically, the only general he could trust to tell him the truth.
I heard General Sada speak at our church. He revealed as an interesting aside that all of Saddam’s kitchen workers were Christian to protect him from being poisoned.
Sada also wrote a great book, Saddam’s Secrets.
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/
Can’t wait.
The fact that the WMDs (chemical weapons) were moved from Iraq to Syria prior to the US invasion has been well known for a very long time.
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