Skip to comments.Mark Levin: Obama plans to bypass Congress
Posted on 10/04/2013 12:21:48 AM PDT by servo1969
Listened to the podcast of Mark Levin's show tonight(10/3/2013).
All of the following is Levin's take on the government shutdown.
There's no transcript so I'm going to do the best I can.
What is Obama's endgame?
The clue is in Obama's repeated use of the word 'default' in his recent interviews.
The Dems and Obama keep repeating the story that the Repubs are crazy.
That they have a 'gun to the head' of the country. That they are 'holding America hostage.'
Obama is setting up the idea that "I have no choice but to take matters into my own hands to save the country."
His plan is to push the shutdown until mid October when the debt ceiling will be reached.
He will then deliberately mix Authorization laws with Appropriation laws. The Senate will back him.
Americans are too ignorant of the law to understand the difference and the MSM will say Obama is doing the right thing.
He will then declare that it is his Constitutional duty to see that the nations bills are paid.
He will issue an Executive Order increasing the debt limit. He has no authority to do this.
It will be a blatantly impeachable offense but the Repubs will not be able to impeach him.
The Dems will back him as a solid unit and the Power of the Purse will be transferred to the Executive branch.
The MSM will say he is a hero. The Constitution will be irreparably shredded.
The system of Checks and Balances will no longer exist.
The Constitutional Republic will be destroyed.
He will fundamentally change the United States.
Here is a link to the podcast:
You will have to listen to a 1 minute ad and then the show will start.
The part I'm referring to begins at 30 mins in.
Make sure you are listening to the 10/3/2013 show.
and what exactly does the great Mark Levin suggest be done?.....
I just listened to the same segment a few minutes ago. This is what I just wrote, summarizing how I understood Mark:
Why has Obama refused to negotiate, and instead insisted, with Harry Reid, on shutting down the government? Because he is setting the stage for similar intransigence when the debt ceiling comes up.
The Constitution assigns to the HOUSE ALONE the power to impose a tax or appropriate funds. Obama’s plan is to create another deadlock, and then usurp Congress’s power to tax and spend. He will claim the power to raise the debt ceiling and to tax and spend without Congressional appropriations.
Obama will have, in effect, abolished Congress. Leftist think-tanks and leftist law professors have already been publishing articles in which the 14th Amendment is tortured and twisted in order to rationalize Obama’s planned usurpation of the exclusive powers of the House. One of their tricks is to obfuscate the difference between a Congressional “authorization” and a Congressional “appropriation.” The pretense will be that, if Congress has authorized the existence of some program, the President can, by himself, appropriate and spend funds on the program.
Could not the Speaker of the House obtain an injunction from the USSC?
He can’t hide from the producers. National strike. One man cannot rule freedom lovers.
If he does that and congress doesn’t stop him, what are our options? I’m sure the world salivates at the thought of Obama doing this. I don’t want to surrender my country.
Even **IF** 0bama could increase the debt limit, it doesn’t matter.
That still won’t get those 800,000 laid off federal employees paid again.
They are gone.
To get them paid, the House and Senate have to agree on new funding.
In the meantime, the government is running a surplus at the moment without those 800,000 employees on the payroll.
Well, you don’t need to borrow more money when you are running a surplus, and raising the debt limit only means that you can borrow more.
So Levin’s plan can’t work even IF 0bama could pull off the raising of the debt limit.
I honestly don’t know.
I am going to bed and I am not going to obcess on this.....there is nothing I can do about it...
If Obama does this then he can start writing EO’s to fund whatever he wants, ignore congress completely.
Wow, not sure why the need to attack Levin.
I’m guessing he has more ideas and has done more to help than you have. Just a guess.
To your snarky question, I guess the answer would be first and foremost, to freakin tell people, so they can go out and educate others. Isn’t that a great idea? Let people know what the hell is happening and how this crap is going down!
Hard to argue your point if you don’t know what the hell they are doing.
Hats off to Mark, and others who are sounding the bells.
Btw, curious what you’ve done today, yesterday, last month, to help get the country back? Just wondering.
Levin said we now live in a post-Constitutional period of time
Levin can only educate and inform and he is doing a great job of it
If Congress fails to carry out their responsibilties all we can do is try to elect a new Congress, despite election fraud that has become institutionalized imo
One thing the average citizen can do is go Galt to the best of their ability to starve the beast
Stop being a consumer.
Pay your taxes but nothing else. (Not that there will be much left after paying your taxes)
Live simply and take care of family and help your friends and others who truly need it, to the best of your ability
Yes, that’s right, if Obamao arrogates to himself the power to raise the debt limit, then he can presumably issue treasuries unilaterally and spend the resulting funds however the hell he pleases. We will have ourselves a genuine dictator when it comes to spending.
Not much of a big step as he has already long since been bypassing the Constitution.
Not much of a big step as he has already long since been bypassing the Constitution.
The truth is, the GOP basically works for the Obamatollah/Saudi regime.
For example: McCain, Lindsey, Boehner, Cantor.... and the rest openly help AL QAEDA and openly betray the USA every day of the week.
If the Saudis tell the GOP to fold on the debt ceiling, they will. I think they’ll say “Pretend to oppose Obamatollah to see how far he can override Congress (and the Constitution), and then we’ll tell you when to fold if necessary.”
He postulated that if Obama assumes another power of congress and raises the debt limit, it might be the final straw to prod the states to call for an amendment convention.
I hope Hussein goes for it. He has horribly violated the constitution these past five years and should be held accountable by the House of Reps. If the House sits on its hands, there should be a groundswell of outrage directed toward an amendment convention.
It will mean freepers must switch gears, from devoting their sole attention to Washington, and direct more of it to their state rep and senator. It means work far and beyond ranting at FR.
I agree 100%.
I did exactly that, on Sept 14th. It is great, the smartest thing I have ever done. Go Galt.
I was thinking along the same line. The USSC can convene in an emergency setting and rule that such actions are unconstitutional. This would have the effect of proclaiming Obama as a lawbreaker.
Such a USSC ruling would be the most important ruling on divided powers since Marbury vs. Madision.
Mark of the transcriber of Mark’s commentary is in error when it is said that the republicans cannot impeach Obama. They most certainly can.
The House impeaches, the Senate convicts.
The House can certainly impeach. However, it is not likely that the Senate will convict.
With a USSC ruling that confirms Obama as a lawbreaker and the House having impeached him and the Senate failing to convict, the scene will be set for a Senate takeover by conservatives in 2014.
I actually hope Obama will follow through on this tactic of raising the debt ceiling by EO. It will toss the whole crisis into the laps of the legal community who will know very well that Obama has overstepped his bounds, especially the academic legal community. The ensuing drama would be as intense and as fast as Bush vs. Gore 2000.
If Obama had another out, I think he would back down from bypassing Congress. But I don’t think he another out. And this is his make or break signature reform law, that opens the door to controlling Americans in unthinkable ways. This Obamacare law is designed among so many other things to make a democrat majority permanent and to control guns thereby setting the stage for setting the Constitution aside which is the true goal, to set it aside as a 18th and 19th century relic.
Uh, read the Liberty Amendments.
I fear that the GOP as part of the “good ol’ boys congress club” will have no stomach to sustain their stand, to man up and force barry to do same or impeach him.
Most of them are weak ego-ridden men who never faced a real crisis in their lives and think they are smarter and individually more important than they are. Their power is as a body, not a man. (who was it that said “Gentlemen, we must all hang together, or we shall hang separately”) They are not leaders, they are followers. Followers of nameless advisors, flatterers, straphangers, consultants, “polls” , and frightened angry or stupid constituents.
They make pleasant with and listen respectfully to peers such as Charles Rangel, Maxine Waters, Alcee Hastings, Louise Slaughter Henry Waxman etc etc etc. Men and women who ought to be shunned as stupid, venal hypocrites and mean small people unworthy of office. Even jailed. And everyone knows who.
They prefer to keep their heads down, keep their titles, staff, offices, franked mail, fresh flowers, dining privileges, parking places, VIP travel, cut rate shoe shines and haircuts and think this will pass in 3 years as all presidencies have done in the past.
and this is the GOP
the better of 2 dysfunctional political parties.
Man that made me pit up my coffee! Funnyyyy...lol
Everyone claims to love freedom. How many have gone on strike for it? They love their conveniences, their security, their creature comforts more.
There are people so lacking in motivation to stand on their own, they spend their entire lives in prison. They're released now and then and they haven't a clue how to make their own living, nor any desire to learn how. They find a way to go back in, where they'll get three squares and a cot, and where they'll know predictability and regularity.
Put that sort of people on a spectrum and then move your gaze a little to the right. If you look closely, there among millions will be someone you think you know.
Man that made me spit up my coffee! Funnyyyy...lol
Respectfully, silverleaf...John Galt "went Galt" as a producer, not a consumer.
I would say, then:
Stop being a producer. Just stop. Then you don't have to pay income taxes. Then you will cease to be a financial supporter of the system you call tyrannical and loathesome.
Unauthorized US debt that is in the process of being contested would lead to a rapid destruction of the country’s credit rating and we would experience Weimar-like hyperinflation wiping out savings and other cash-based wealth.
I hear you but if Obama cuts out Congress on the debt ceiling he will face the USSC, I am pretty sure about that.
And when and if the USSC rules on Obama’s illegal and unconstitutional power grab, then Congress will need to respond. At that point, the coziness of their settings won’t be so important when they are deluged by constituent phone calls.
“Going Galt” has evolved to become a popular way of saying “get off the grid”
Frankly a lot more of us are consumers than producers.
In fact EVERYONE working, retired, or even on benefits is a consumer of some product or service. Our consumption produces wealth for the producers but also for the govt by the taxes we pay on what we consume and the wealth we create for the producers who are then taxed on it
Everyone has control over their economic participation in the obamaconomy as producer OR as a consumer
unfortunately consumer dropouts hurt a lot of producers who didn’t plan to go Galt, but that is the price of starving the beast. They can’t pay taxes to the govt if they don’t have income
Karl Denninger (Market Ticker) BTW just went Galt in public announcement..Brave guy
I wish I could believe that
but I believe the Congress will buckle and assent to obamas unconstitutional powers instead of making him take them forcefully without assent, which he is threatening to do
“Just try to stop me”
Levin lays it out pretty clearly
obama is warning congress and wall street he will do as he chooses with or without congress and dares them to do something about it and makes them fear the consequences of trying to stop him
we are watching the unfolding phase of a coup that began the day he was inaugurated (twice.in secret)
good for you
can you share some things you’ve done?
I agree and have said as much, people are beginning to believe “my conspiracy theories” after all these years. He is a destroyer and has promised his masters he will deliver them the United States on a platter to be devoured!
Get ready my friends, rough times are coming!
If you have a job or a business you are a producer. You're making money.
In fact EVERYONE working, retired, or even on benefits is a consumer of some product or service.
True but irrelevant.
Our consumption produces wealth for the producers
That one, I'm just going to leave it alone. Maybe someone else will pick it up. Have a great day!
Your view would be the emotional view but that will not be the view of those who are in positions of making the decisions. Decision makers regarding the US credit rating will wait before collapsing the rating because financial derivatives and third party contracts would bring down the entire world, not just the USA.
Your view would be similar to putting a gun to one’s head and saying if you don’t resolve your credit issues at this very moment I will pull the trigger on myself.
In the meantime the Ted Cruz strategy would be to hand an appropriation to Reid and Obama that pays the interest on the debt and raises the debt ceiling as necessary for specific purposes.
I will stick with Cruz.
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