MI: Open Carry Lawsuit; Police Report or Dashcam Video?

Gun Watch ^ | 25 December, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

[old curmudgeon]

A warrant is required to search a vehicle unless there is probable cause.

[TribalPrincess2U]

“Deffert was alone, and was loudly talking to himself,”

That's all everyone does these days..with phones in their ears.

[SunkenCiv]

> Having reviewed the video, the comments offered by the responding officer are a complete fabrication.

Thanks marktwain.

[Tainan]

I do not listen to what the voices in my head tell me to do.
I listen to what the voices in my wifes' head tell her to tell me to do.

[gitmo]

When my son was a toddler, my mother asked if he talked to himself when he was alone. I grinned and responded. “I don’t know. I’ve never been with him when he was alone.”

[RushLake]

Apparently, the gentleman with the firearm was exercising his sovereign right. According to a LEO I know well from East Lansing, Michigan the term “sovereign citizen” is gaining currency among the rogue element of law enforcement. While, as free men and women, we are sovereign citizens, the term has taken on a different meaning among this subset. Their view essentially is that we are never right, always guilty until we prove ourselves innocent. Therefore we are subject to the application of law as they define it, not as the state or US Constitution defines our rights. If we choose to challenge them on the basis of our defined rights, we’re sarcastically referred to as “sovereign citizens”. Apparently they particularly hate “minor issues” like 2A and 4A. 1984 redux.

[RetiredNavy]

A warrent, or probable cause, IS required to search your vehicle, and it is private property. Your example provides probable cause, but does not make your vehicle public property.

Just say no to ALL requests to search your car. When a policeman has stopped you, he is not there to be your friend, he is there to put you in jail if he can. It is foolish to answer leading questions or submit to a search voluntarily.

[bike800]

Probable cause is needed for a search of your vehicle...a warrant is not. It falls under the Carroll Doctrine. It is not public property, ut you are considered in public is in a vehicle...