Obamacare is toast

Flopping Aces ^ | 01-04-14 | DrJohn

[Starman417]

Over at CNN Jonathan Gruber posts the question "when will get the verdict on Obamacare?"

The rollout of the Affordable Care Act has been unquestionably rocky, but the rush to judgment was over the top. Critics had their knives out even though little data are available on initial program enrollment and success. It's much too early to declare the program either a failure or a success.

Gruber argues that it's too soon to judge Obamacare:

For example, when Massachusetts piloted the approach embodied in the ACA, we had very slow enrollment, with only 123 paying customers signing up the first month our subsidized insurance was available. There was a rush of enrollment right before the individual mandate kicked in, and ultimately over three years the program covered about two-thirds of the state's uninsured citizens, leaving Massachusetts with a 3% uninsured rate, the lowest in the nation.

No, it's not. Obamacare is a failure. Let's list why.

1. The damned lies.

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people,” Obama said Monday, addressing the American Medical Association. “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

Linda Douglas:

“The president is committed to enacting reform that will lower costs, protect choice of doctors and plans, and assure quality and affordable health care for all Americans,” said Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for the White House health reform office. “He has made it clear that we would not support a reform plan that would require people to leave their current insurance plans.”

Jonathan Gruber (yeah, him):

"...the government is not going to force you to give up what you have..."

2. It's settled law. Except when it's not.

“It Passed The House Of Representatives. It Passed The Senate. The Supreme Court Ruled It Constitutional … It’s The Law Of The Land. It’s Here To Stay.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfIMnB4uETU

Obama has altered the "settled law" nineteen times already and 11 state Attorneys General have sent HHS Secretary Hapless Sibelius a letter advising her that Obama is in violation of the law when he changes "settled law" by executive fiat. If Obama can unilaterally rewrite law when is law is really law?

Bonus Laugher (about one minute in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5L5j74G0Os

"Delay is not an option." You can't make this stuff up.

3. The number of uninsured isn't improved

Obama and his henchmen claimed there were between 30 and 50 million uninsured.

Among the grandiose Obama logorrhea vis-à-vis Obamacare was this proclamation:

"I'm not going to walk away from 40 million people who have the chance to get health insurance for the first time."

Without my even proving it, you knew that Obama lied about the number of uninsured because that's what he does. Lie.

Experts have long known that the number of uninsured bandied about by reformers was misleading. But a careful look at the uninsured populations also reveals that ObamaCare may not help them much.

First, most uninsured spells are relatively short. A Congressional Budget Office report found that 71% regain coverage they've lost within a year, and almost half get it back in four months or less. Only 16% of those went more than two years.

Such short-term gaps will likely continue under ObamaCare, since people will still be prone to lose coverage between jobs, and can go up to three months without insurance and still avoid paying the mandate penalty.

In addition, the young and healthy are far more likely to be uninsured than any other age group. According to the Census Bureau's latest report, more than 27% of those between 19 and 34 are uninsured, compared with 16% of those 45 to 64.

These are the "young invincibles" that Obama needs to sign up for ObamaCare to keep rates from spiraling upward. But those not buying relatively cheap insurance available today aren't likely to pay more for it in the exchanges.

Census data also show that almost a quarter of the uninsured have household incomes of more than $50,000, which means that many of them won't be eligible for ObamaCare's tax subsidies.

What's more, the official number of uninsured is exaggerated.

As many as 6 million who claim to lack coverage are actually enrolled in Medicaid, and another 4 million are eligible for Medicaid but haven't enrolled, according to one analysis. And 9.5 million aren't even U.S. citizens, according to the Census Bureau.

Combined, these groups account for 42% of the 46 million said to be uninsured. And none of them will benefit from ObamaCare.

The law is expected, however, to cover many currently uninsured through Medicaid in the 25 states that agreed to expand eligibility for that program. ObamaCare tried to force every state to sharply raise the Medicaid income threshold, but the Supreme Court ruled the mandate unconstitutional.

Even the White House has admitted that the 46 million figure was an exaggeration, saying at one point it was more like 30 million.

So there are about 30 million uninsured in the country. Care to guess how many uninsured there will be after full implementation of Obamacare?

30 million.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Immigration and the rules concerning the treatment of illegals found in the US whether by traffic stop or INS/ICE raid or being ratted out are settled law, too. THAT settled law is ignored, though.

[a fool in paradise]

[3Fingas]

DOMA was settled law, DADT was settled law, and immigration law was settled law until the Obama administration decided that it was NOT settled.

When the left gets its way, the law is immutable.

When the left does not like something, the matter is never settled.

All the leftist garbage passed by the democrats and worthless rinos should be attacked continuously until all of it is repealed — Obamacare, Gays in the Military, Women in Combat, etc. Since, the left never stops trying to undermine the Republic, we should never give up our fight to overturn everything they do.

[Logical me]

Their cronies in the insurance companies have manipulated a scheme with which they get high premiums from entrapped consumers plus government subsidies.

The current lot of insurance companies figured out they could reap billions yearly with Obamacare. And they will continue behind the scenes to support this con. They have not destroyed the method to return to prior health care policies but are lying and not to be trusted. The entire system is corrupt.

[TigersEye]

RINOs will give this dead horse mouth to mouth injections of pork until it’s the most bloated Fed corpse of entitlements of them all.

[FlingWingFlyer]

I agree. Nothing is EVER “settled”. For years, the commie left tried to convince everyone that “global warming” was “settled science.” That didn’t work out for them either and their hoax and scam was exposed to the people. We must continue the battle against the fraudulent left. Never give up.

[masadaman]

Didn’t Ayers also say to kill your parents? Didn’t his tenured faculty wife kill and/or plot to kill police? We are just so many frogs in the pot at now about 110 degrees, half way to boil.

[freekitty]

Obamacare was never about insuring people or healthcare. If you read your history; it is the ushering in or trying the downfall of a country. Hitler had big business helping his get to power. Banks, insurance companies, governments; etc are at fault as well communists, Fascists; etc. Obama can not succeed without their help. It makes me wonder how the insurance industry is really involved since they don’t appear to be fighting Obamacare.

[hal ogen]

I hope the camps are nicely furnished. See you there...

[mtnwmn]

I hear this from many folks. My question is how will a single payer system work any better?

[Truth29]

"I hear this from many folks. My question is how will a single payer system work any better?"

It won't delivery health care any better, but it will be very effective in targeting individuals and groups opposed to the diktats of Dear Leader.

[Truth29]

delivery = deliver

[holden]

SCOTUS did not declare everything about ZeroCare constitutional, nor in every respect affirm it as "settled law."

Only the complaints brought before the courts (ok, and their related implications) were considered, meaning simultaneously, much of ZeroCare was not considered. Furthermore, since so much in the law has continued to change (illegally, of course, inasmuch as it was not done constitutionally nor through Congress), until those changes are also brought before SCOTUS and fully considered, we won't have adjudications of any of those aspects, which all will have merits to be considered.

Every challenge that makes it to SCOTUS has one or more contentious issues that need yet to be decided and no one is saying it's impossible that no further suits regarding ZeroCare can be considered.

Anyone publicly pronouncing ZeroCare to be "settled law" is a corrupt liar and/or a total incompetent.

HF

[sickoflibs]

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[TADSLOS]

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