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Why has California chosen water shortages over desalination?
wordpress ^ | February 1, 2014 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 02/01/2014 10:18:17 AM PST by grundle

Why has California chosen water shortages over desalination?

Israel has made the choice to turn its water shortages into surpluses by building lots of desalination plants. Desalination costs less than 40 cents per cubic meter, which is less than 1/6 penny per gallon. It’s so cheap that in addition to using desalinized water for residential uses, Israel also uses it for agriculture.

Meanwhile, California has chosen to have water shortages instead of building enough desalination plants.

Why did California make this choice?



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KEYWORDS: california; desalination; drought; israel
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1 posted on 02/01/2014 10:18:17 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I thought there was going to be an explanation when I clicked on the link.


2 posted on 02/01/2014 10:21:51 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: grundle
Sounds like kalifornika is all in for UN Agenda 21.
3 posted on 02/01/2014 10:21:59 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: grundle

To provide the ruling political party (Democrats) with an on going political crises for their benefit. Plus, to provide leverage over the conservative (Republican) parts of the state.

Any other questions?


4 posted on 02/01/2014 10:22:01 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: grundle

Ocean dwellers rights to not be deprived of a certain level of salinity close to shore.


5 posted on 02/01/2014 10:22:10 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: grundle

This was a better idea a few years ago, before General Electric nuked the Pacific.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 10:23:36 AM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: grundle

Well, wouldn’t building desalination plants take billions away from the high-speed rail line that hardly anyone wants and fewer will ride??


7 posted on 02/01/2014 10:25:57 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: rktman

Let the homeless pee on the beach.


8 posted on 02/01/2014 10:26:12 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: grundle

Just think. Global warming is going to raise sea levels. California, with desal plants would have all the water it wants.


9 posted on 02/01/2014 10:26:33 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: grundle
they wish to de-populated southern Kalifornia?..(i wish :)
save some very obscure animal/plant/microbe species?..
relieve pressure on the earthquake faults..glo-bull warming?
hand it over to Mehico, they populate it anyways..

10 posted on 02/01/2014 10:28:21 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: grundle
simple explanation....plants require enormous amounts of fossil fuel electrical power, or N-power generated electrical power....none of which is available
11 posted on 02/01/2014 10:28:43 AM PST by B212
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To: grundle

there is a desal plant in Santa Barbara that is mothballed, and one is trying to be built in San Diego County. why not “Coastal Commission”


12 posted on 02/01/2014 10:31:29 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: B212
California has so much oil that it naturally seeps into the ocean.

The problem is political, not economic or technical.

/johnny

13 posted on 02/01/2014 10:34:21 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle

The answer is simple. The people must suffer.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 10:34:34 AM PST by KirbDog
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To: grundle

California is a lot bigger than Israel


15 posted on 02/01/2014 10:34:49 AM PST by babble-on
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To: grundle

It’s because California has become a cash cow for politicians, unions, teachers, public sector workers that the rest of the state producers don’t matter. This includes agriculture, manufacturing and to some degree the media industry.

Gone are the days when a Molhulland can envision and implement a water rerouting that Los Angeles depends on to this day. Even Jerry Brown senior built a canal from north to south.

Instead, the infrastructure projects are throwbacks to the 19th century, complete waste of money (i.e. bullet train no faster than an 1870 steam locomotive).


16 posted on 02/01/2014 10:35:38 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: grundle

The enviro whackos are preaching that it will increase the salinity of the ocean and kill their precious fish and sea life.

After years of fighting in the courts they are building a plant in Carlsbad, CA but it will be years before it will be in operation


17 posted on 02/01/2014 10:36:04 AM PST by dalereed
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To: JRandomFreeper
The problem is political

ever where you turn

18 posted on 02/01/2014 10:36:21 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: grundle

Collectivists love shortages!


19 posted on 02/01/2014 10:38:21 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: grundle

The New World Order won’t be able to use fresh water as a weapon if it’s not limited in supply.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 10:38:29 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: cicero2k

“It’s because California has become a cash cow for politicians, unions, teachers, public sector workers that the rest of the state producers don’t matter. This includes agriculture, manufacturing and to some degree the media industry.”

Like Detroit was at one time?


21 posted on 02/01/2014 10:40:06 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: markman46

The plant in Carlsbad will open in 2016 and provide up to 10% of the county’s water. So we need a few more, as does the rest of the state. San Diego county is the driest along the coast and we have little of our own supply.

It has been 14 years since they sought approval, the private company and the city. They got all the permits, including coastal commission. It took 10 years; then the same groups which opposed the plant during the administrative process tried to stop it in court.

Instead of the judge deferring to the 10 years of administrative processes, he had a hearing and it stung it out another 2 years.

We are literally paralyzed in California. No new freeways, no tracking, no new power plants; so if someone builds a desal plant, it’s a miracle. But they need to get started.


22 posted on 02/01/2014 10:40:44 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: KirbDog

The answer is simple. The people must suffer.


Yes, but the majority will suffer because a very small minority can use their brainwashed followers and purchased politicians to give them control. This is about power.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 10:42:05 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: CaptainK; grundle; humblegunner; Syncro
"I thought there was going to be an explanation when I clicked on the link."

You have obviously mistaken Grundle (aka "The Gooch") for something other than a Ron Paul/Green Party Blog Pimp.

His "blog post" could easily have been a two sentence comment on another thread which he himself just posted but he decided to tease you into hitting his blog instead.

24 posted on 02/01/2014 10:45:49 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: morphing libertarian

ya i know how dry San Diego county is, am surprised at how long the plant in Carlsbad has taken. Orange County needs one too, there was talk about on in Huntington Beach next to the old aes plant but not sure it will happen, and with downtown brown as Gov!!!


25 posted on 02/01/2014 10:46:18 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: grundle

The greatest need are the farmers in the central valley. That is nowhere near the coast. The root of their problem is the delta smelt, a fish labelled endangered causing a court ruling deverting water from the sacremento river delta.

As technology advances, desal solutions will no doubt be used where cost efficient.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 10:46:22 AM PST by quimby
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To: KirbDog

Exactly. Under democratic communism/income redistribution all must be equally miserable - except the ruling elite of course.


27 posted on 02/01/2014 10:50:27 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: B212
Large scale desalinization requires nuclear power. We know how to do that, we just don't have the political will. A competent government would have seen to the building of those plants and having them on line by now. That the Cali Gov hasn't promoted this is proof that their agenda has nothing to do with the common good.
28 posted on 02/01/2014 10:52:13 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: grundle

Why?

Because it is run by communists.


29 posted on 02/01/2014 10:52:30 AM PST by wintertime
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To: 43north

The One Percenters are the biggest proponents of collectivism and Islam and use the poor as their strawman to get what they want.


30 posted on 02/01/2014 10:52:52 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: markman46

need about 7-8 in SD County, we could help Imperial County


31 posted on 02/01/2014 10:54:46 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grundle

Every time it rains, the left is on the television and radio saying we are in a drought and must conserve water.

Every time they check the snow in the Sierra (where our water comes from ) it is reported as the lowest level in history.

There are solutions to this problem but the environmentalist who seem to own Sacramento prevent any solution other than making the citizens suffer.

I always thought the purpose of governments was to do things that individuals could not do on their own, such as maintain water source, take care of sewage and build infrastructure to aid in commerce.

The Socialist in Sacramento do everything they can to make life in California worse than it has to be.


32 posted on 02/01/2014 10:55:22 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

The purpose of CA government is to build a high speed train from Lost Hills to Avenal.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 10:56:32 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grundle

because this has nothing to do with water shortages but economic control. Like taxes where the Dems want to continue their wasteful spending but want higher taxes when running short of cash. Dems continue needless water projects to preserve the introduced striper bass in the delta but have cut off huge amounts of water to farmers and communities. They have avoided water projects that will provide more water to all because of the costs involved but continue to try and force through a very expensive high speed rail network through the Central Valley without terminus at either end and which no one in their right mind wants.

Socialism at work again. Central planning by intellectuals instead of entrepreneurs. Capitalist will evaluate a project and will take risks when the payoff is worthwhile. An intellectual will proceed with utter folly because it fits their agenda.

There is a saying by someone (who really cares) that states ‘an idea so completely idiotic that only an intellectual would believe it.

This country was founded on capitalism and it worked exceedingly well until the socialist got control and bled us dry. Look at history, real history not the bullshit history spun out of control by the education factory we have today.


34 posted on 02/01/2014 10:57:58 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I always thought the purpose of governments was to

Governments are simply protection/shakedown rackets enforced by men with guns wearing snappy uniforms.

/johnny

35 posted on 02/01/2014 11:00:33 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nip
No underground storage. All the storage and transport is open to the air. This is changing. The FEDS required them to build underground storage,
36 posted on 02/01/2014 11:00:47 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"California has so much oil that it naturally seeps into the ocean. "

Yup.

The La Brea Tar Pits are a very visable example.

I toured the place 2-3 years ago. I expected more.

37 posted on 02/01/2014 11:01:33 AM PST by blam
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To: grundle

Schizophrenia. One half of the California mind is anti-growth. The other half lets millions of illegal immigrants in through the back door.


38 posted on 02/01/2014 11:04:53 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: grundle

FWIW, it looks like CA utilities presently pay around $2.30/1000 gallons.

Desal plants can supposedly produce water for $2.90 to $3.70.

http://www.watereuse.org/sites/default/files/u8/WateReuse_Desal_Cost_White_Paper.pdf


39 posted on 02/01/2014 11:06:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: JRandomFreeper
"in snappy uniforms"
Mel Brooks?

40 posted on 02/01/2014 11:08:30 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Why steal from second raters? I steal only from masters. Mel Brooks forever...

/johnny

41 posted on 02/01/2014 11:10:06 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle

“Meanwhile, California has chosen to have water shortages instead of building enough desalination plants. Why did California make this choice?”

It’s really just a matter of priorities. Bullet trains to no where that aren’t even really bullet trains are far more important than a life of daily ease. It’s also much easier to control a population with rationing and deprivations as these provide an arbitrary rational for whatever cause with which the fascists wish to blame: global warming, capitalism, evil conservatives, evil Republicans, over-population, not enough tax money, etc. The deliberately ill-educated population of serfs and peasants do not know enough that there are easy alternatives to such shortages and deprivations, and readily join the pogrom of the fascists.


42 posted on 02/01/2014 11:14:06 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: grundle

Two words: Environmental Nazis.


43 posted on 02/01/2014 11:25:49 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Mel Brooks"
so it was? *grin*
btw: the The Producers, was a fantastic film.
(the original movie w/ Z. Mostel/G. Wilder/D. Shaw)

44 posted on 02/01/2014 11:29:12 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: grundle

I’m curious—do you get usable, marketable sea salt as a byproduct?


45 posted on 02/01/2014 11:35:08 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Don’t see the salt answer, but here’s an interesting report

http://www.pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/desalination_report3.pdf


46 posted on 02/01/2014 11:46:06 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Mamzelle

What happens to the salt?

The desalination plant typically uses three kilograms of seawater to produce 1 kilogram of fresh water. The extracted salt dissolves in the excess sea water used in the process to form so-called brine. The brine is returned to the sea where it is diluted again in its natural medium.
Can salt be recovered?

The usual desalination processes do not provide for such recovery. Whereas they concentrate seawater 1.5 times, recovery of salt would require seawater to be concentrated ten times. Under such conditions the first crystals would appear in the brine. This would require a lot of energy and cannot be justified on an economic standpoint. Today whenever a large surface area is available close to a sunny seashore, salt pans, which make use of solar energy, are still the best method of salt production.


47 posted on 02/01/2014 11:48:15 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

source for 47

http://www.sidem-desalination.com/en/Process/FAQ/


48 posted on 02/01/2014 11:49:00 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: mountainlion

Here’s one for you , blanket California hater: Why is it that
the whole of the US remains energy dependent when it is
clear that the nation could take care of its’ own energy needs for
the next couple of hundred years? Or, is that also the fault of
every living, breathing soul in “Kalifornika”?


49 posted on 02/01/2014 12:05:45 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad
I am form the drug infested Colorado. There used to be much energy production here. There is enough carbon based energy here for several hundred years also. Socialism is creeping into Colorado form both coasts and drugs from the south giving us a triple whammy. The tentacles form hollyweard are trying to strangle us conservatives. Do you understand my frustration?
50 posted on 02/01/2014 12:15:26 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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