Then you don't really "love Sarah" as much as your screen name tries to suggest. She'd never say what you just said.
More correctly you must love Obama, because that seems to be exactly what he's trying to do.
Get a grip, will ya.
FReegards!
Posted on 02/23/2014 6:39:53 PM PST by grumpa
Few people understand how lawless Abraham Lincoln was in propagating our country’s biggest nightmare—the Civil War. And not enough people sense the parallel of Obama’s emerging lawlessness.
Lincoln achieved his political aims by bullying—rather than effective, innovative solutions and negotiations. Here are some facts:
• Lincoln closed more than 300 newspapers that disagreed with him.
• He arrested members of state legislatures, preventing them from debating the secession issue.
• He ordered military trials for citizens when civilian courts were available. Many of these trials resulted in hangings.
• Operating as a military dictator, Lincoln spent millions not authorized by the Congress.
• He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a law that prevents people from being imprisoned without due process. This suspension, along with the military tribunals, resulted in the imprisonment of 14,000 war opponents illegally. (For comparison, Mussolini is reported to have jailed around 2,000 people.)
• When Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney ruled Lincoln’s suspension of the writ unconstitutional, amazingly, Lincoln ordered Taney arrested! But the United States Marshal’s office refused to make the arrest without a valid arrest warrant. However, due to the political situation at the time, the writ was never officially restored until Andrew Johnson’s tenure.
• The cruelty of the Northern generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan was authorized by Lincoln. The wanton cruelty toward civilian life and property made Lincoln clearly guilty of war crimes.
• His dishonorable prosecution of the war is responsible for the failure to re-assimilate the South after the war, and left bitterness for a hundred years. The Ku Klux Klan is certainly a result of this bitterness.
• Lincoln signed the order approving the hanging of 39 Sioux Indians, for dubious reasons. This was the only mass hanging in American history.
• Lincoln was a liar, changing his message to suit the audience and his political objectives.
This is all presented in an amazing book by Charles Adams entitled, When in the Course of Human Events. Adams concludes, as any reasonable man would, that Lincoln should have been impeached. The war would thus have not progressed to its devastating conclusion. And slavery, which was clearly on its way out anyway, would have ended without the loss of 630,000 American lives.
So, how is this relevant today? Is it not ironic that a black president is potentially taking us down a path of a constitutional crisis not seen since Lincoln? History never repeats itself exactly. But the parallels should be apparent to anyone willing to see them.
You stepped in it now! You are not permitted to criticize St. Abraham!
If you don’t know the difference I can’t help you and won’t waste your time.
I will tell you this, you don’t help yourself by painting with a wide brush. You only drive allies away.
This is heresy. This is the same as pointing out the hidden elements of Martin Luther King’s life.
But many in the Union didn’t want to be saved. What about what they wanted? What about what we want now? I would love to see this country divided into two separate countries.
>> He was a Republican, and held America together through a terrible war.
Yes, I would agree with that. (I realize you mean “Republican” in the sense of “defender of the concept of the Republic” rather than “zealot of the party”.)
I would add, the future BENEFIT of his holding together the *United* States as a nation-entity outweighs the DAMAGE to that same nation-entity he may have caused by his methods. That’s in my opinion, but it seems obvious.
Still, I’d encourage you to weigh precisely which of the facts mentioned you don’t agree with. As an exercise, even if you don’t post the result of your analysis here.
FRegards
Or robert e lee’s
“Lincoln signed the order approving the hanging of 39 Sioux Indians, for dubious reasons. This was the only mass hanging in American history.”
Winfield Scott hanged 30 San Patricios.
The South wanted to secede. Lincoln was determined to not let them. Civil war, lots of people dead.
How Lincoln Could Have Prevented Civil War
by Sanderson Beck
Abraham Lincoln was an extraordinary man with many wonderful qualities. He is greatly admired by many and is generally considered one of America’s greatest Presidents. Since the era of the founding fathers, he is certainly one of the most influential Americans. Yet he was President during a brutal Civil War in which an estimated 625,000 Americans died. This is nearly as many as all the Americans who have died in all the other wars of the United States. Although Lincoln was obviously not the only cause of the Civil War, he was probably more responsible for the nature of the war than any other individual.
http://san.beck.org/LincolnCivilWar.html
I appreciate your post.
I admire Lincoln. Always have.
There are things about what happened which probably are even worse than what is listed.
I just think he was a leader during a very critical time for America.
It was a terrible time, and many many Americans died. Lots of those Americans were in the south, and have never really forgiven the north in some ways.
I understand.
FReegards right back.
Nor do I. Thank you for sharing this post, grumpa. God Bless.
I ponder whether Lincoln would have taken any of those steps if it had been different times. No war, etc.
Barry, on the other hand, is doing his best to rule as king...when he doesn’t have to.
Lincoln just prolonged the war because today the north and south are like night and day.The union has never been more divided as it is today.
Lincoln was a “raysess” . The guy freed the slaves in the south in the “emancipation proclamation” but left them slaves in the north! He did that to fight the war!! not some altruistic moment on conscience. He was a joke! A total joke.
This list is a series of allegations, and the burden of proof rests with the accuser.
It’s a fool’s errand to go chasing down the evidence for/against the allegations of another, and then debating the weight of each detail of each allegation.
A civil war is the most ugly of wars, and the American civil war was the first Industrial Age war.
I don’t doubt that many un- and extra- Constitutional acts were perpetrated, and the emperical evidence seems to indicate that Lincoln’s preservation of the Union was a better outcome than it’s dissolution.
And Lincoln saved the nation.
I have read a lot about President Lincoln. From what I have read, he was kinda fake. He really did not care about slaves because he wanted to send the Blacks to an African country. He had separate policies for the Blacks in different parts of the country. I honestly do not know what to think about him. He did a lot to totally destroy the South. Some of that was unnecessary and don’t say, “that is war.”. If he were for holding the country together, then why destroy part of it? In my opinion that alone caused many, many people to hate him. I am into genealogy and tons of records were destroyed by this. I have a few ancestors I think were dropped off by space aliens with no previous records or none that can be found. : )
Lincoln was a tyrant who ignored the will of the people and Constitutional limits whenever either interfered with his vision for the U.S.
Odd how these GREAT leaders get so
many killed.
No one was killed in the bombardment of Fort Sumpter. Lincoln and his cronies could have let the South go its own way and avoided 600,000 deaths.Note the South did not invade the North until months into the war.
We have arrived at a point in history where we must examine and challenge our previous understanding and interpretation of history.
It once was unchallenged dogma that FDR brought the US out of the Depression, and not long ago some conservatives tactically accepted this theory.
Now that Obama seeks to associate himself with Lincoln’s legacy, an objective reappraisal of Lincoln is well justified.
Exactly.
Then you don't really "love Sarah" as much as your screen name tries to suggest. She'd never say what you just said.
More correctly you must love Obama, because that seems to be exactly what he's trying to do.
Get a grip, will ya.
FReegards!
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