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The face of the revolution in Venezuela?
Tavern Keepers ^ | February 21, 2014 | John

Posted on 03/01/2014 9:02:03 PM PST by Texas Fossil

Genesis Camona was a 22-year-old college student who participated in the protests. She was also a beauty queen, having won the title of Miss Tourism in her home state of Carabobo. According to her uncle, she and her mother were peaceful protestors wanting an end to the 15 years of socialism that have plagued the nation. He stated:

‘There’s no food, no milk, no baby food … It is horrible what is happening in this country,’ Gil said. ‘That’s why she was out at the protest.’

During the demonstrations, she was gunned down by members of armed militias known as colectivos. According to Reuters, these groups consider themselves to be the “defenders of revolutionary socialism.” They came about during the rule of Hugo Chavez are were essentially his “brown shirts.” In other words, they are the ones that get the job done when the government can’t get its hands dirty. A quote from Reuters expands on this:

The colectivos are accused of assaulting staff at opposition TV stations, sending death threats to print journalists, and even tear-gassing the residence of the Vatican envoy in 2009 after Chavez accused the Catholic Church of meddling in politics.

"The colectivos are paramilitary groups armed by the government and protected by officials in uniform," Lopez, the opposition leader, told Reuters after Wednesday’s violence.

 


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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: collapse; communism; hugochavez; leopoldolopez; nicolasmaduro; revolution; venezuela
Photo of Genesis Camona is at the link. I saw a similar tragedy connected with the attempted revolution in Iran after their last election was stolen. Her face is still on Twitter.

Such evil men as these "colectivos" are the fruit of Communism. Subhuman beasts.

1 posted on 03/01/2014 9:02:04 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Hey, shhh. Obama is at a dance recital.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 9:03:14 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Texas Fossil

Disrupting supply chains have consequences. Some people bank on it.


3 posted on 03/01/2014 9:04:04 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The economic laws put in place by the Chavistas make it impossible to do business


4 posted on 03/01/2014 9:08:54 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Texas Fossil

The colectivos are government thugs


5 posted on 03/01/2014 9:09:37 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Not guilty. She is very brave to be out there like that. The people in Ukraine and Venezuela opposing tyranny are making us look bad for putting up with things here.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 9:10:05 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Texas Fossil
“Such evil men as these “colectivos” are the fruit of Communism.”

Yes. Any form of government that seeks to homogenize people, and thus suppress self-determination and freedom, will lead to misery. It always does. Love, charity, fairness, etc., have to come from the heart, not from the government. Government has none of those to give, and is very, very often populated with narcissists, who by definition are not going to be the ones to propagate those virtues.

7 posted on 03/01/2014 9:11:39 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Texas Fossil

***‘There’s no food, no milk, no baby food … It is horrible what is happening in this country,’ Gil said. ‘That’s why she was out at the protest.’***

A similar situation will develop here, probably worse, when the dollar collapses. And obama’s brownshirts won’t hesitate to shoot either.


8 posted on 03/01/2014 9:13:27 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Such evil men as these "colectivos" are the fruit of Communism. Subhuman beasts.

Human nature hasn't changed ONE iota in all the time since there have been humans. We aren't ANY better or ANY worse. Today's excuse is always the same as it goes back to SIN. There have been subhuman BEASTS like this LONG before Communism and Karl Marx. Hard sometimes to remember that they too were made in the image and likeness of God with an eternal soul...and that God loves them too.
It all comes down to the seven deadly sins, doesn't it?

Greed
Anger
Pride (arrogance)
Lust
Envy
Gluttony
Sloth

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9 posted on 03/01/2014 9:13:27 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Yes. Any form of government that seeks to homogenize people, and thus suppress self-determination and freedom, will lead to misery. It always does. Love, charity, fairness, etc., have to come from the heart, not from the government. Government has none of those to give, and is very, very often populated with narcissists, who by definition are not going to be the ones to propagate those virtues.

These tyrants have been around since the beginning of humanity. I USED to think that if people were given the basics of life, educated, given a faith to follow and were safe...they would be good. Not necessarily so.

I learned that SOME people prefer evil and the voice of Satan calling them to the seven deadly sins: anger, pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony and sloth.

10 posted on 03/01/2014 9:19:05 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: MichaelCorleone

“A similar situation will develop here, probably worse, when the dollar collapses. And obama’s brownshirts won’t hesitate to shoot either.”

Here, however, there will be lots of people shooting back. I hope it doesn’t happen. But 90 million firearm owners make up by far the largest armed force on earth.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 9:25:52 PM PST by mkmensinger
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To: cloudmountain

Communism denies the existence of God. They feel they answer to no one.

Look at the Millions murdered and the genocides in the name of Socialism/Communism/Fascism or one of their other derivatives in the past century. And tell me this has always been so.

Totalitarianism in all it’s forms is EVIL.


12 posted on 03/01/2014 9:28:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: MichaelCorleone

They will hesitate if it comes to that. Because WE are ARMED.

And we will keep our guns.....


13 posted on 03/01/2014 9:29:55 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: ctdonath2

Some people?

Almost all people.


14 posted on 03/01/2014 9:30:38 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: 3Fingas

Agree


15 posted on 03/01/2014 9:31:12 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil
if there's no food they don't eat, if they don't eat they don't need toilet paper, toilet paper shortage problem solved... seems kinda harsh though
16 posted on 03/01/2014 9:41:43 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: cloudmountain

“seven deadly sins”

I agree with you, except for one thing. I don’t think the seven deadly sins fully captures the sin of narcissism (pride probably comes closest), which is in my view the number one force driving most of the world’s evils. The ambition to make the most of yourself, distinguish yourself as an individual, and to contribute to the world in your own unique way, is healthy and pushes us all to new heights. On the other hand, the ‘need’ to ‘be special’, and the absolute belief that you are ‘special’ and chosen to lead the rest of us is at the root of nearly every dictatorship and act of totalitarianism that has ever occurred in recorded human history - IMHO.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 9:46:32 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: GeronL
>"The economic laws put in place by the Chavistas make it impossible to do business"

Now now, they have all the hope and change they can eat and carry!

18 posted on 03/01/2014 9:47:19 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Narcissism is a personality disorder. Not all arrogant, prideful people are narcissistic.

That isn't what Putin or Obama are about. That isn't a piece of the puzzle. Putin is in for the land grab and power. That isn't narcissism. Wrong adjective for him. Power hungry? THAT I would agree to.

I think adjectives should be close to the mark: Power hungry Putin? Backbone-less Obama? Those seem more appropriate to me. Wouldn't you agree?

19 posted on 03/01/2014 9:57:18 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: GeronL

Remember, VERY IMPORTANT, that marxist Allende had his own communist militia in Chile and it was attacking the middle class and working class protestors.

That is one reason the military stepped in and took over. They knew that the communist militias were receiving weapons and training, esp. from the Cuban DGI and military advisors Allende had let into the country.

See the “White Book on Chile” for photos and details about this. It was published after Allende was ousted and offed himself. The military found all kinds of arms caches throughout the capital and some in the countryside.


20 posted on 03/01/2014 11:56:44 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

In Venezuela the top brass also hold government positions and the military is well “taken care of” by the regime. More admirals than ships, if you know what I mean. They own factories and all kinds of stuff.


21 posted on 03/01/2014 11:59:31 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cloudmountain

“Narcissism is a personality disorder.”

Yes, but there is a difference between DSM coded ‘narcissistic personality disorder’ and plain old narcissism, and they absolutely exist independently (or at least as gradations).

While I agree that arrogance and pride are not the same as narcissism, government of all types attracts people who are not just proud of themselves, or arrogant, but who truly believe they are different than everyone else - special. These people are driven to positions of stature not because they’re going to make a ton of money, but because it clarifies for the world that they are indeed special.

Putin, for instance, is to me a bit of a hybrid. He’s definitely narcissistic (otherwise there wouldn’t be so many readily available pictures of him with his shirt off showing us all what a stud he is..), and as such he is very unlikely to fade into the sunset as he ages. He needs the limelight. He is also power hungry.

To me, the question is always ‘why does this person seek power?”. Some seek power because it allows them to become very wealthy and live very ‘large’. That’s not true of all, however. Some seek power to ‘do good in the world’, and some seek power because it gives them the ultimate in relevance - and they have a great need for that kind of relevance.

Anyway, the whole point of what I was trying to say is that I don’t think all bad human behavior can be explained by the seven deadly sins, but as you point out, simply blaming narcissism isn’t accurate either.


22 posted on 03/02/2014 5:11:57 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Texas Fossil

Perhaps the kenyan will send troops to support the “legitimate” government of Venezuela. If the revos don’t want that they better get rid of Maduro quickly and present the kenyan with a fait accompli before he gets the marines to Caracas..


23 posted on 03/02/2014 5:27:31 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Who knows what drives Putin. Psychoanalyzing him from afar at THIS point in life is fruitless. The cake is baked. HE knows why he does it. All we can do is surmise.

What bad behavior CAN'T be described by the seven deadly sins? Just curious.

There is bad behavior that ISN'T "deadly" sin, but I am curious to hear your thoughts.
My thoughts: ONE example of bad behavior that isn't deadly: feeding the dog a few Brussel sprouts surreptitiously so a child didn't have to eat ALL of them.

Mortal sin versus venial sin:
the Catholic church differentiates between SERIOUS (mortal) versus venial (non-mortal) sins.

MORTAL SIN = abortion
venial sin = feeding the dog a few Brussel sprouts instead of eating them.

I GUESS it depends on the definition of "bad."

24 posted on 03/02/2014 6:33:12 AM PST by cloudmountain
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