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Ukrainians "Won't Give Up Without a Fight" as Ivan Surrounds Marine Base at Feodosia
Reaganite Republican ^ | 03 March 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/03/2014 5:14:11 AM PST by Reaganite Republican


Quickly out-numbered and out-gunned, other military checkpoints and border crossings/bases in the Ukrainian-since-1954 Crimea were disarmed by unmarked Russian troops that came pouring over the border this weekend, with all significant facilities are encircled. The newly-appointed head of the Ukranian Navy (his Crimean office surrounded/electricity cut-off) felt obliged to defect to the newly-formed, pro-Russian "Independent Republic of the Crimea" as well.

But that is not at all the case for an Ukrainian Marine base at Feodosia, where yesterday the commander of the elite troops -upon being handed an ultimatum- "politely but firmly" told the Russians to "get lost"...


"We gave an oath to the state of Ukraine, not an oath to one particular general, and certainly not one from another country," Major Rostislav Lomtev told the Guardian from inside the base.

The Russians duly disappeared. But not for long. They would be back later. The resolution to this standoff remains precariously inconclusive...

The troops may not wear insignia on their uniforms, but they arrived in trucks with Russian military plates and are well armed. Privately, the commanders admitted to Ukrainian troops that they were Russian regular troops. Given that some of them were personally acquainted, there was not much point in hiding it.

As Major Lomtev in Feodosia put it: "We know a lot of them, because we have done a lot of joint exercises together and have close links with them. To be honest, I don't think they are very proud of the orders they are carrying out at the moment."


At Perevalnoye, Crimea, a Ukranian Coast Guard base also refused to surrender to the Russian Army. A tense standoff has ensuded there, with the two sides only agreeing not to point their weapons at each other (for the time being).

Would Vladimir Putin continue to trash his image, economy, and legacy by firing on them? Or he only interested in harvesting whatever low-lying fruit he can in Russophone areas while avoiding a costly, bloody engagment with his Slavic "brothers"?

We'll find out soon enough, one way or the other... live updates -here-
 
 

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; crimea; invasion; putin; ukraine; war

1 posted on 03/03/2014 5:14:12 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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2 posted on 03/03/2014 5:15:21 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

My only question:

When do Jane Fonda and company head off to Kiev?


3 posted on 03/03/2014 5:18:54 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Putin will reincorporate Crimea into Russia the way China seized Tibet. There is nothing the West can do to prevent it. The transformation may be bloodless unless Putin decides to seize parts of eastern Ukraine.


4 posted on 03/03/2014 5:23:18 AM PST by allendale
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To: Reaganite Republican

The best thing the Ukes can do is get a gun and some ammo in the hands of every able-bodied citizen and then wait for the Ruskies to show up.

Might suggest to the the Uke parliament to pass a 2nd Amendment resolution real fast.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 5:27:24 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

While the Ukraine is being overrun mac daddy is busy drawing red lines and Putin is ROTFLHAO.

Mac daddy has NO credibilty anywhere in the world, NONE.

What an embarrassment he is for America in the eyes of the world.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 5:28:47 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The citizenry already demands it...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/ukrainian-citizens-demand-their-own-second-amendment-in-constitution/


7 posted on 03/03/2014 5:29:15 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Anyone know if this turned out to be true?

http://www.jta.org/2013/06/27/news-opinion/world/ultranationalist-ukrainian-political-party-leaders-banned-from-u-s#.UxQtGbGx0FM.twitter

Ultranationalist Ukrainian political party leaders banned from U.S.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 5:31:05 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
City of Lvov disavows nationalist Svoboda, recent anti-Russian sentiment and pledges a day of speaking Russian.
9 posted on 03/03/2014 5:33:22 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Reaganite Republican

10 posted on 03/03/2014 5:35:23 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: allendale

Eastern Ukraine is the bread basket of both it and the former USSR. Were I he, that is what I would want. Once in firm control over both fuels to Europe and food stuffs that are exported, he has both feet on Europes throat. Europe will do nothing and the US under Obama is impotent militarily to force Putin to do otherwise. Meanwhile, the press is already making a play that his excellency intends to squeeze Russia financially. What a joke, the largest debtor country in the world is going to financially squeeze one that is solvent! Keep dreaming NBC.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 5:35:57 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: RummyChick

I think you mean Lviv, in the far west

But it doesnt look like a statement theyd make... hacked perhaps


12 posted on 03/03/2014 5:36:27 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Mouton

What WAS needed was an effective US detterent, long frittered away by this vile administration


13 posted on 03/03/2014 5:37:46 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

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Here, city of Lvov disavows nationalist Svoboda, recent anti-Russian sentiment and pledges a day of speaking Russian.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 5:41:05 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: allendale

15 posted on 03/03/2014 5:47:41 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: allendale

I heard an interesting take: as long as there are border “disputes”, there won’t be any acceptance into NATO.

Putin may be happy to simply preclude Ukraine from joining the West’s institutions by keeping things in flux.

Putin’s actions use the same logic of protecting Russian speakers as Hilter’s did to justify invading Austria and Czechoslovakia.

The West’s response is similar also. We have his word...or will shortly.

Peace in our time.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 5:49:07 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

What do you mean, ineffective?
Obama defriended Putin on facebook. Putin has to come around now.


17 posted on 03/03/2014 5:50:09 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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18 posted on 03/03/2014 5:51:52 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Mouton
To control the flow of gas into Europe, Putin will need all of Ukraine. Otherwise the Ukrainians in the Western part can close the pipeline down. There's a good chance Putin's actions may heighten nationalism throughout Ukraine. Things may not go as well for Putin as he hopes. Especially if Ukraine shuts of 50% of the natural gas to Europe.
19 posted on 03/03/2014 5:52:38 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

All true...


20 posted on 03/03/2014 6:26:44 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: MrEdd

lol


21 posted on 03/03/2014 6:31:04 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: meatloaf

btw Meatloaf, that’s worthy of a blog post all by itself, will h/t you of course

TIA


22 posted on 03/03/2014 6:32:38 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: meatloaf

So let’s say that Putin takes the East and keeps that half of the pipelines flowing to the EU.
The West shuts down their half, and the EU turns to Putin who says, “The gas is flowing from Russia into Ukraine. It’s not Russia that is stopping it from getting to you.”
What will the EU do then?

Just curious as to others’ thoughts.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 6:35:13 AM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: meatloaf

btw Meatloaf, that’s worthy of a blog post all by itself, will h/t you of course

TIA


24 posted on 03/03/2014 6:38:47 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Noticed that one section of the sign is written in Ukrainian and the other in russian.


25 posted on 03/03/2014 6:47:07 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Reaganite Republican

It’s time to wage economic warfare on Russia. It’s not quick but issuing the permits for the LNG liquidification facility at Cove Point, Md and for the one on the gulf of Mexico would enable us to ship LNG to Europe and end Russia’s economic strangle hold. Turkey has an LNG conversion facility near the Bosporus. It’s not far from the point where Turkey receives gas from Ukraine. Flow could be reversed to provide another source of natural gas, American, to Ukraine.

That would also complicate Iran’s plan to furnish gas to Turkey. American natural gas could effectively deprive Russia of the money needed to modernize their military and eliminate some of the excessive cash flow into the Middle East that ends up financing terrorism.


26 posted on 03/03/2014 6:53:11 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited
"The West shuts down their half, and the EU turns to Putin who says, “The gas is flowing from Russia into Ukraine. It’s not Russia that is stopping it from getting to you.” What will the EU do then?"

What if putin stops the gas from entering Western Ukraine? I'd say this is something he would do.

27 posted on 03/03/2014 6:55:15 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
What if putin stops the gas from entering Western Ukraine? I'd say this is something he would do.

I agree that it is something Putin would do.
My question was in reference to the post that stated that the Ukrainians' in the West shut it down.
I would think it should not be too difficult to figure out where the flow of gas stops.

It was just a hypothetical question as to what the EU would do if the gas was shut off by the Ukrainians and not Putin.
28 posted on 03/03/2014 7:06:02 AM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

Shutting the pipelines could perhaps force the EU into doing something for the Ukrainians other than sell them out like they did with the attempted Yanukovych deal that the Maidan told them to shove


29 posted on 03/03/2014 7:07:15 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Mouton
What a joke, the largest debtor country in the world is going to financially squeeze one that is solvent!

And the financial chaos alone that this is already causing can set the world back into a deeper depression. DC needs to be tied up in impeachment proceedings and full investigations into Obama's background.

30 posted on 03/03/2014 7:19:30 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: chiefqc
What an embarrassment he is for America in the eyes of the world.

Yes he is a huge embarrassment, but I hope enough people in the world realize that there are tons of people in America that are totally opposed to him, and everything he stands for.

31 posted on 03/03/2014 3:01:11 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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