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MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.
Google+ ^ | March 14, 2014 | Chris Goodfellow

Posted on 03/18/2014 8:14:11 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport. For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 777; airliner; chrisgoodfellow; iran; malaysia; memebuilding; mh370; waronterror
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To: norcal joe

Nevermind. I thought you were saying the Swiss Air pilots were relaying messages about the Malaysian Air flight. I then re-read the original posting.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 8:48:19 AM PDT by norcal joe
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To: nascarnation
If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate.
22 posted on 03/18/2014 8:50:39 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("Don't say sh*t unless you know for sure it helps." - Raylan Givens)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Sorry, but the pilot calmly communicated “Goodnight” AFTER the transponders were switched off.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:51:39 AM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

So then how did it fly for 6 more hours???


24 posted on 03/18/2014 8:52:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: motor_racer
Sorry, but the pilot calmly communicated “Goodnight” AFTER the transponders were switched off.

See post #20.

25 posted on 03/18/2014 8:53:48 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("Don't say sh*t unless you know for sure it helps." - Raylan Givens)
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To: Mr. K
That would explain the seemingly credible letter written by an oil rig worker who thought he saw a plane in flames overhead.

But only if they had turned right, instead of left.

26 posted on 03/18/2014 8:55:08 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Uncle Chip
So then how did it fly for 6 more hours???

Full load of fuel. Crew incapacitated by smoke?

27 posted on 03/18/2014 8:55:38 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("Don't say sh*t unless you know for sure it helps." - Raylan Givens)
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To: jimjohn
You'd think that someone would have texted or made a phone call, unless they were overcome by smoke. One report which I've not heard repeated is that the manifest showed there was a cargo of lithium batteries in the hold. If they burned, everyone may have been overcome by smoke, and such a fire would likely have destroyed essential electrical system elements. What do you think?
28 posted on 03/18/2014 8:58:42 AM PDT by Trot
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To: Leroy S. Mort

This also might explain reports that the airplane went over 40,000 ft where there is less oxygen for the fire.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 8:59:36 AM PDT by xeno
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To: hinckley buzzard; TheDon
The sequence, I recall, was a.) transponder off, b.) hard left turn (executed under computer control, not pilot intervention) and c.) "Alright, good night", signing off as the flight left Malaysian ATC airspace.

This sequence doesn't correspond to Goodfellow's theory.

30 posted on 03/18/2014 9:00:54 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

But in order for the plane’s last ping to have been along that arc, the pilot would have had to made several course corrections at several subsequent times.

AND officials are now saying that the first flight correction was programmed into the computer.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 9:03:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: okie01
This sequence doesn't correspond to Goodfellow's theory.

Again, see post 20.

32 posted on 03/18/2014 9:04:02 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("Don't say sh*t unless you know for sure it helps." - Raylan Givens)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
"Diversion?"

Look where I want you to look, not where I don't want you to look.
Sure, could be a smaller part of something else entirely.

33 posted on 03/18/2014 9:04:25 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Trot
You'd think that someone would have texted or made a phone call, unless they were overcome by smoke

Try this next time you fly. Wait about 5 minutes after take off. Switch on your phone. No signal. It won't come on again until you are about 5 minutes from landing. Essentially, there is no current means for phones to work above 4000 feet. Now, move over the South China sea... even sea level there would not be any phone service.
34 posted on 03/18/2014 9:06:56 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Uncle Chip
AND officials are now saying that the first flight correction was programmed into the computer.

His theory:

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed

35 posted on 03/18/2014 9:07:16 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("Don't say sh*t unless you know for sure it helps." - Raylan Givens)
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To: okie01

If the hard left turn was done under computer intervention, rather than pilot input, and it certainly was not in the flight plan to Beijing, then that makes a stronger argument for someone loading in new waypoints to the plane’s navigational system.


36 posted on 03/18/2014 9:09:34 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Trot

Mind you again, this is only a guess (we’re all speculating here) that I distress signal could have been sent out even without the pilot saying anything.

AND/OR

If the pilot has turned to the nearest airport, I’m thinking he’s on the mic immediately calling down to that runway looking for a clearing and calling for fire equipment on the ground.

Then again, if the fire spread quickly and fried the comms, it’s all moot.


37 posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:30 AM PDT by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: xeno

The climb to 40,000+ feet points to two things, and two things only; either to kill the passengers or extinguish a fire.. ACARS could’ve been turned off without ever having to turn the knob off.. It could’ve happened electrically due to fire. If the wires are compromised it doesn’t matter what position the switches or knobs are in. The electrical system could’ve also gone haywire and communications cut right after the ‘alright, good night’ message.


38 posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:48 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Any theory that relies upon a statement by a Malaysian official is not worth even considering.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 9:16:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: okie01

Looking at a graphic on another thread they would have had to turn right again after the left to he airport in order to be located on he satalitte arc


40 posted on 03/18/2014 9:20:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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