Skip to comments.Lt. Gen. McInerney: I Think the #MH370 Passengers May Be Alive & I Think the Plane Landed (Video)
Posted on 03/21/2014 3:01:31 AM PDT by Whenifhow
Retired Lt. General Thomas McInerney was back on with Sean Hannity tonight and still stands by his original statements that missing MH370 landed and did not crash into the ocean.
I think those passengers have the potential to still being alive. And I believe that airplane landed. I believe the airplane has landed and Ive listened to a lot of aviation experts and none of them know anything about radical Islam. And I think that was one of the major shortcomings to think that as well planned as this was, and you just went through it with Mr. Kay, on how the transponder was turned off, they said goodnight, ACARS went off transponder. Take the line from the last transponder hit and then take the line from the Thai radar skin paint and draw that line. And see where it goes. It heads straight for India.
How does that theory explain signal strength readings recorded by the Inmarsat satellite?
The entire story is bizarre but this guy is going to look like total idiot if they find the wreckage in the ocean.
Many confusing opinions out there, but McInerney stands by his previous statement - thread below.
Retired Air Force general stands by theory Malaysian Airlines flight could have landed in Pakistan
They’re all dead!
The only reason to take that plane to 45,000 for a short time would be to kill everyone but themselves.
I believe him.
I agreed with you until I realizd that all they would have had to do was turn off the air system. Why risk having a stallout at 45,000 feet when all they had to do was flip a switch?
Even if he is right on his "Radical Islam done took it" claim, what could possibly make him think the hijackers didn't kill the passengers?
The trouble with conspiracies is that for that theory to work, EVERYONE connected with it has to keep quiet. But there is no evidence from anywhere of any plane landing, plans to hijack, etc. Sadly it most likely is at the bottom of some ocean somewhere.
They could kill everyone at 35,000’ because the cabin pressure is the same as at 45,000. At 35K feet with no oxygen you go unconscious without even knowing it within 1 minute. Been in decompression chamber
The cockpit crew could kill everyone just by putting on masks, and decreasing the pax cabin pressure while the plane at 35K’ and depriving the pax of oxygen.
777 pilot interviewed went through the ascend scenario using a real accident they train on, showing how this may have happened when the crew and the autopilot battled each other for control. He indicated the person who took off the autopilot maybe didn’t know how hard the plane was going to be to fly, and took some time to get control. He indicated the upward pitch may have occurred when the autopilot was disengaged - the industry has seen it happen, it is a scenario they train for in simulators and a similar situation caused one notorious crash.
On the other the plane may have ben put into maneuvers to throw the attendants and passengers off their feet, since the outside passenger crew does have a way to access the cockpit. I believe this happened during flt 93
Unless they somehow “triangulated” the maintenance pings(doubtful), they wouldn’t give a heading, just time. How did they arrive at a heading towards the South Indian Ocean? (~1400 miles SW of Perth) I don’t think I read anything about how the NTSB?? arrived at a heading.
He is/was one the smartest officers in the USAF, and a pilot
Not as dumb as the guys that ignored a missing jet airliner right up until it entered their air space and delivered a WMD. In the post 9-11 world and all.
I heard one expert say that a cockpit struggle (e.g., the captain over the copilot) could well explain the rise to 45k and an increase to that height would not compromise the pressure in the cabin.
Even if he is right on his “Radical Islam done took it” claim, what could possibly make him think the hijackers didn’t kill the passengers?
Malaysian plane: 20 passengers worked for ELECTRONIC WARFARE and MILITARY RADAR firm
I’ve seen 777 pilots on TV explain the plane won’t automatically stall at 45,000 feet. It depends on the weight and speed of the plane.
Also, people don’t automatically die at 45,000 feet. They will lose consciousness but would still be alive. It may have been to subdue them.
He is an idiot. Does he really believe some is feeding and keeping 200 plus people alive.
Whenifhow, thanks for the post!
All y’all, ping to the Lt. Gen standing by his assertion; he references the 2 positions and interpolated the direction it went.
It;s possible that after a hour, some could succumb but certainly not all, because the plane still has breathable air but just not enough 0'2 for consciousness.
That's why I don't think the rise to 45k was intended to kill them. But only to put them out as there were only two of them probably and they could not handle that many people.
I think if they crashed, it was because of a lack of fuel. If they did not crash, then they landed...
The where, I don't know, but Somalia might have been within reach. Or Pakistan...but I like Somalia..The home of the Somali pirates who use ransom like we use stocks and bonds,
I'm not sure those were signal strength or timing measurements but in any case we were told that those measurements provided a range calculation from satellite to MH370.
The image below shows (in purple) the two possible paths that the aircraft took based on these hourly pings. One northern path crosses over India and would have, I would assume, allowed for detection of the aircraft by many radar surveillance systems in that country and others. The southern path is far from any possible radar detection, heads for the suspected debris field and ends there.
It seems pretty likely to me that this plane "landed" in the ocean off the coast of Australia. Not a good spot.
I’ve listened to McInerny on several shows and he is not as absolute as these quotes make him out to be. I’ve heard him concede there could be an alternative explanation.
HOWEVER, he is a trained general, and that means he is trained in risk assessment. His inclination would be to pounce on the greatest risk and not leave it until it is alleviated. The Israelis are handling this the same way.
IOW, I think he’d be relieved to have that plane show up in the south Indian Ocean.
He has been taught about risk:
low probability with limited consequences = low risk
low probability with bad consequences = medium risk
low probability with catastrophic consequences = high risk
high probability with limited consequences = medium risk
high probability with bad consequences = high risk
high probability with catastrophic consequences = national emergency
This aircraft issue probably falls under “low probability with catastrophic consequences.” That means it represents a high risk to the nation.
McInerney’s record is to speak the truth regardless of the pressure to shut up.
No floating debris will be found because there is no ocean debris.
The simplest explanation is usually the best answer. Even if no extra fuel, the plane could easily make it to Pakistan. Refuel and be off to Iran. The pilot had been self training to fly low and land at unknown airfields.
The passengers? During the flight they dropped cabin pressure knocking them out and freezing them.
Within a few seconds all were unconscious and in a few minutes all were frozen and quiet, except of course the pilot and his two Iranian helpers.
You can easily kill the passengers by dumping cabin pressure and keeping your plane at altitude for a period that exceeds their emergency oxygen supply. You are correct; the 777 can fly at 45,000 feet for extended periods, but at that altitude, without a pressurized cabin or supplemental oxygen, you’re toast in a few minutes.
BTW, the emergency O2 supply for the pilots is much greater, and they could also access the “walk-around” bottles once the passengers and flight attendants were subdued or dead.
It looks to me like the pilot could have flown over the open sea and free from radar surveillance if the goal was to get to Iran or Pakistan.
Look at the map in my previous post (#21) and you will see what I mean. If the satellite data is correct that plane either flew South over the open ocean or North over India. I'm betting it went South.
As pointed out last night on FNC, if it headed south it would have flown over Singapore and Sing has the best early warning and radar and would have seen the plane.
Thanks for this graphic as those previous pings were almost as important as the last one at 8:11.
These show why the plane could not have flown to the Maldives or that vicinity or shadowed another plane over India otherwise the distance between the arcs would have been greater.
If correct these show that it headed northwest from the Straits of Malaca to a point south of the Andamans where it turned again and headed due south at about 3:11.
The way they would know that is the difference between 3:11 and 4:11 arc distances would be miniscule.
The graphic indicates that the aircraft must have flown West or Northwest before turning South. That would have put it well to the West of Singapore.
I'm sticking to the Southern route theory at least for now.
I’m thinking nothing will be found from this new search of the ocean. The smaller object looked like a whale breaching, and the larger object looked like a cargo container or a capsized boat. Pieces of the aircraft that are that large would have been on the bottom in hours. Not floating around for days.
But the incontrovertible Arc of the Last Ping at Post #21 shows that the plane’s final moments at 8:11 were a long way from Pakistan.
Is he not a believer in the Arc of the Ping.
Kazakhstan Pakistan, no need to quibble for the STAN seeing as both are nuttyass muslims.
The arc ping info alone divides the probability equally to 50% on either end of the arc. The reason given for searching the southern route into the ocean is based on the two images of something floating out there. Malaysia doesn’t want to deal with pursuing the religious and political overtones of the northern route. The southern route is an acceptable way for them to just let the missing plane fade into a distant memory.
Only one big problem — if the plane went down at 8:11 at that location there is no way that US military radar in Afghanistan would not have picked it up.
The first reason for looking south is because India and China and others would have seen that plane on radar once it headed over land and all of them say that it did not show up on radar.
The second reason is that ACARS would ping if the landing gear went down and there was no ACARS ping for that. So the plane either crashed in Kazakistan or took the southern arc and ditched in the waters.
The third reason is that the last engine ping at 8:11 puts it within the perview of US radar stations in Afghanistan and those stations saw nothing.
Thus by process of elimination they are looking south.
The key moments in the flight would be between 2:11 and 4:11.
Note that from 3:11 to 4:11 the plane flew along the same arc.
Also worth remembering that McInerney’s theory isn’t based solely on his own conjecture. He’s been talking to contacts at Boeing, the intelligence community and aviation circles, and there are a number of experts who agree with him.
One potentially conclusive piece of evidence that may are overlooking. If the plane landed in Pakistan, (or anywhere else), it is almost certain the pilot used his radar altimeter. That’s an emitter, and there is a chance the signal might have been detected by an ELINT satellite or other collection platform. The downside of this possibility is that signals from the radar altimeter are transmitted downward, so the aircraft body and terrain would tend to shield the transmission, making it more difficult to detect.
Additionally, all 777s have the same radar altimeter, so you could have the same signal from multiple sources at the same time in a country the size of Pakistan. The key, of course (assuming the signal was detected) is location. Doubtful a hijacked 777 would fly to a major commercial airport; on the other hand, there are several Pak military fields that can accommodate wide-body jets. Detection of a 777 radar altimeter and/or weather radar around one of those locations, about the time the plane would have landed in Pakistan, would be an important clue.
General McInerney is being very deliberate in his remarks about the plane and where it might be. I’m guessing that someone has given him information based on “better” ELINT reporting about the aircraft.
My own guess is the disappearance was a case of suicide by pilot, and the plane is somewhere in the Indian Ocean. But I may be wrong and General McInerney could be proven correct.
One point he did raise on Hannity last night: if the plane turned south, it would have passed through the air defense intercept zones of both Indonesia and Singapore. As he observed, the Singapore AF is the second-best in the region (behind the RAAF) and some of my former USAF colleagues (who have trained the guys from Singapore) will tell you that many of their pilots are better than the Aussies.
Bottom line: it’s an exceptionally professional organization, extremely well-trained and equipped. Singapore would not allow a large, non-squawking track to pass through their airspace without being challenged (or intercepted). To my knowledge, no one has inquired about what Singapore detected that night and how they responded.
Do you seriously think any country is going to say anything about their capabilities and whether or not equipment was turned on or off?
I believe the ACARS like anything that is made can be defeated, by loss of power if nothing else.
Those arcs you see are based entirely on assumptions of contiuous flight in one direction. The aircraft could have flown in circles and crashed anywhere along any part of the arcs. There is nothing in particular about the terminal end of the southern arc other than 2 pieces of debris which do not fit with the facts.
Yes -- radar is radar. It has no political predilections.
If a plane travelled through their airspace undetected by simply turning off its transponder then it doesn't speak highly of the military defense prowess of those countries.
If anything they have a vested interest in saying they saw it and recognized it as an airliner full of people and let it pass through out of deference to humanity. But not one country sent up a military plane to check it out which they would have done if it invaded its airspace.
Thailand has just come out and said that they did spot it but since it wasn't invading their airspace they didn't bother with it as it was none of their business. Cross over their land and it would have been a different matter -- and they would have responded.
Yeh -- it could have flown in circles but if it did it would be nowhere near Pakistan and would have run out of fuel a lot sooner than 8:11. No one has yet debunked those arcs as the first two are verified by both Malaysian military radar and the Malaysian Airlines and the rest follow from that.
Yes I believe him also. I just don’t see McInerney going out there and risking his credibility on a guess. He is being fed info from credible sources. IMO.
All this running around willy nilly from one ocean to another and not a shred of eveidence of a crash. I think the powers that be know exactly where that plane is parked and they are just not sharing with us at the moment.
Malaysian plane: 20 passengers worked for ELECTRONIC WARFARE and MILITARY RADAR firm
Simply a reference point about the passengers....
It would be at the edge of the coverage range for the second satellite, but it appears from the arcs that they must have recovered signals received by a second satellite.
Knowing the time the pings were issued (e.g., 6:11:0000, 7:11:0000, 8:11:0000) and the time the pings were received by each satellite (e.g., 6:11:0002, 7:11:0008, 8:11:0013) they can compute an approximate distance x from satellite 1 and an approximate distance y from satellite 2.
The problem is the satellites sit over the equator. Therefore there are two solutions to the problem object Z is distance x from satellite 1 and y from satellite 2. One is to the north of the equator, and one is to the south of the equator.
Kazakhstan Pakistan, no need to quibble for the STAN seeing as both are nuttyass muslims.
I thought that herr general said that a “statement would be issued in the next 24/48 hours”...well!...we’re waiting!
General Mcinerney maybe not be giving a source for his info but so far he has been right about them not finding anything in the South
I hesitate to agree with the good General on this, except for the fact no wreckage has been found. This missing plane is so bizarre.
Was there a person of interest the CIA wanted that was on that flight?
Don’t know - there might be some info on the passengers on the thread - post 15
FYI - new thread tonight
Malaysian Plane Now In Pakistan: Gen McInerney:US Has Not Come Clean With Flight 370 Data:
I don’t see the airtrack passing through Singapore airspace...? The southern track goes west of Malayasia, then over Indonesia, but in no way does it go over Singapore.
Maybe you can explain?
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