Mark Levin may get his evil wish to convene a Constitutional Convention

5/13/14 | johnwk

[JRandomFreeper]

But it comes with incredible risk.

How so?

Any amendments coming out of a Convention of States must still be ratified by three quarters of the States.

/johnny

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

Check out this rant on Levin's ‘socialist flat tax’ .

I don't see a Constitutional Convention coming anytime soon.
But the idea did sell a few of Levin's books. The owners can put them next to their copy of 'Going Rogue: An American Life'

[HMS Surprise]

Bind up the government with new rules? Yeah, and do it quick.

[sickoflibs]

Things are heating up on this thread LOL

[Tenacious 1]

No good could possibly come out of this.

You are going to have to explain that. We are now operating well outside the confines of our Constitution. Term Limits, Balanced Budget, Tax reforms? If the Red States pull together, it is likely our last and best hope. And seeing how many conservative (republican at least) governors and legislatures are in power across the nation, the time is right for it as well.

I just e-mail Governor Mike Pence again about it.

[JOHN W K]

If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.

If the people want to take back their government the following photos tell the tale: CLICK HERE

The future of America does rest in the hands of the American People and this coming election will play an important part in beginning the process of taking back our government from those who now use its force to enslave the American people!

Regards,

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

[Tenacious 1]

Did not Mark Levin write a book not long ago about Constitutional articles?

Not so long ago. Publish Date: 8/13/2013

[Tenacious 1]

I don’t think what Mr Levin wants is called a constitutional convention. I think it’s called a convention of states. I understand there is a difference.

You are exactly correct. And FReepers NEED to educate themselves on the difference. A convention of the states puts the Federal Reps on the sidelines. The states and their own elected Governors and Legislatures run the show from proposals to ratification. The POTUS, SCOTUS and congress have no say.

[JOHN W K]

It defies human logic to believe delegates chosen to attend a convention who are appointed by State Legislatures and Governors who engage in the same types of tyranny our federal government engages in would act in the Taxpayer’s best interests if a convention were called to amend our federal Constitution. And judging from the overwhelming financial dependency upon the federal government that every Governor and State Legislature has submitted themselves to, not to mention how almost every State has an enormous deficit and an underfunded state pension fund which is a ticking time bomb, that they would not be motivated to select delegates to a convention who would act in concert with the federal government to further tighten the iron fist of government around the necks of America’s hard working citizens and business owners, and find new ways to legally confiscate the wealth they create in order to “redistribute” it in a manner which keeps these federal and State tyrants in power.

If you get a chance, I urge you to read: Article V Group Ignores States' Complicity in Federal Power Grab

” Of all the misrepresentations often repeated by the pro-Article V constitutional convention proponents, one of the most important is the “states as victims” mantra … the claim that the federal government is “seizing power from the states” cannot be stipulated to without falsely portraying states as victims rather than as accomplices to these crimes against the Constitution."

If a solution to the tyranny which is carried out at both the federal and state level is to be found, it certainly will not come from those who carry out the tyranny. I know of not one tyrannical government which has willingly released its iron fist from the necks of its citizens!

JWK

[sickoflibs]

RE :”If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.”

I am sure that my state Maryland will do its part . Martin O Malley...

What could go wrong?

There is absolute safety in proposing ideas that you (Mark) know will never be tried, sells lots of books too.

‘If only....’

If only Trump ran,
If only Sarah ran,

LOL

[Tenacious 1]

I honestly do not believe GOP leadership/establishment really want a balance budget amendment. They could simply refuse to vote for increasing the debt ceiling and the balance budget amendment would be enforced right there.

AGAIN, FReepers need to educate themselves on what is being proposed. A Convention of the States excludes the Federal Government. Congress, POTUS and SCOTUS has NO authority and are bound by the states ratification per Article V.

[JOHN W K]

Anyone with common sense knows what it is. Stop trying to switch the subject.

JWK

[Orangedog]

Any amendments coming out of a Convention of States must still be ratified by three quarters of the States.

Never underestimate the damage that can be inflicted by dumbass voters in large numbers.

[crz]

Tell you what boy, since you hit and ran.
I dont like the present tax system, nobody in their right mind should. I really am not nuts over the flat tax because it leaves for much mischief and is a direct tax on income..but then again, all taxes are a direct tax on income. I propose a excises tax..THATS RIGHT, a ONE TIME COLLECTED national retail sales tax that gets everyone. Illegals, criminals, welfare people, people coming here to visit, EVERYONE. But having said that, again, I would take a flat tax over the present system.
James Madison wrote that of all taxes, excise is the least abhorant.
In support of Levin, the constitution DEMANDS conventions to propose amendments when the federal government gets out of hand. Opposing Levin, I also believe that nullification is another way, since the STATES CREATED this monster, they can rip the GD thing down and start it over, either together or separately. But to do nothing is in itself cowardly, and those like you who would oppose the very idea of fighting a tyrannical oligarchy is shameful. You sir, stand where? In opposition to liberty?
In short, I support anything that will put this oligarchy back in its place..and that means Mark Levins proposals to a tee. I am behind him and those like him 100%.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have no idea how many times you have to be told that an Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. The constitution cannot be rewritten. An Article 5 convention is for amendments only, like a balanced-budget amendment or an amendment stopping Congress from exempting itself from laws it imposes upon the peasants.

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Comprende?

[JRandomFreeper]

It's up to the state legislatures to ratify the amendments.

/johnny

[Crazieman]

You void your own argument. If it is truly at that point, then nothing short of civil war will solve it. THINK before you type, if that is too difficult an concept. I suspect it is.

[Crazieman]

Difficult a concept**

Autocorrect

[Tenacious 1]

I am not confident you are familiar with the process based on your posts. While I agree an intense PR battle would take place in a Convention of the States, the drivers would be the state Governors, not federal reps and Senators.

I do not imagine there is any other civil course of action to get this country going back in the right direction. If they screw it up and we need another civil war, so be it. But, for the sake of my children, and the future of this nation that I love, I would get VERY active in the pursuit. I expect a great many other (normally quiet conservatives) would as well.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I have no idea how many times you have to be told that an Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. The constitution cannot be rewritten. An Article 5 convention is for amendments only, like a balanced-budget amendment or an amendment stopping Congress from exempting itself from laws it imposes upon the peasants.
.....
Comprende?”

Going no-where fast (except selling a few books)

Comprende?”