Posted on 05/16/2014 9:33:46 PM PDT by Ray76
With little fanfare and nearly no national media attention, the National Popular Vote effort is now 61 percent of the way toward its goal of legally bypassing the Electoral College established in the U.S. Constitution.
The NPV campaign seeks to obtain the consent of the majority of the 538 votes in the Electoral College to award electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote instead of the winner of the popular vote in each state.
The group, the Center for Voting and Democracy, received original seed money in 1997 from the Joyce Foundation, a nonprofit that boasted President Obama served on its board at the time of the grant. Obama was a board member from July 1994 until December 2002.
The NPV is run by individuals with a history of support for the Democratic Party, KleinOnline found.
It is partnered with FairVote, a project of the Soros-funded Center for Voting and Democracy that advocates for a national popular vote for president.
Soros’ Open Society Institute funds the Center for Voting and Democracy, where FairVote is based.
The center’s website notes the group was kick-started in 1997 with two grants – one from the Open Society and another from the Joyce Foundation.
With Obama on its board, the Joyce Foundation also funded the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation; the AFL-CIO Working for America Institute; the National Council of La Raza and Physicians for Social Responsibility, among numerous radical groups.
Meanwhile, the NPV leadership is comprised of Democratic Party supporters.
(Excerpt) Read more at kleinonline.wnd.com ...
The fact that Barack Obama and George Soros are backing this initiative proves that there isn’t any viable scenario where the NPV would benefit a Republican. I don’t think highly of either of those two gentlemen, but I can’t question their political acumen.
I see the National Popular Vote as being directly linked to the push to grant citizenship to millions of illegal aliens. With the NPV it wouldn’t even matter where these new Democrat voters lived. Half of them could be in Texas and swing the nation’s popular vote to the Democrat candidate, even if Texas itself gave the Republican candidate its majority.
Although it seems unlikely I would expect that if any near-term prospects of Amnesty were eliminated this initiative would also be put on hold.
That points to a bigger problem with these multi-state NPV agreements. They are probably unenforceable. If one state decides to unilaterally violate the terms of the agreement, then I don’t see what kind of recourse another state might have to enforce it.
I think the NPV is something that grew out of the post-2000 outrage over Al Gore's loss and has faded considerably over time. The fact that New York State just got on board (New York State hasn't been at the forefront of anything in decades) gives some credence to this.
1. Seems it would encourage a proliferation of 3rd parties.
2. It appears to be contrary to the purpose statement of the US Constitution which is to guarantee to the people a ‘republican’ form of government.
3. Other inconsistencies with the constitution should make it possible for smaller states to take this to the Supreme Court. For example, the Constitution doesn’t seem to give the state legislatures the authority to determine the vote of the elector: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. “
4. This makes it possible for a coalition of California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, and New Jersey to run the nation. 11 States could run the nation. We say, “impossible”. But, if it becomes clear to a potential majority that they could ALWAYS have what they wanted, then it is entirely possible.
That points to a bigger problem with these multi-state NPV agreements. They are probably unenforceable. If one state decides to unilaterally violate the terms of the agreement, then I don’t see what kind of recourse another state might have to enforce it.
Enforce?
No.
“Coerce” by funding promises or “back-door” projects and bribes from the dictatorship around the waffling state? Certainly! And, with the “NPV agreement” inpalce, a GROUP of “NPV electors INSIDE that state can “change their minds” as required (because of the NPV agreement offers an excuse) and vote blue “because the Popular Vote demands it!”
Thus, Pennsylvania now is a 100% block vote in the Electoral Collage. Probably wrongly so because its STUPID governor vetoed and proportional vote law based on political judgment and “GrOPe” advice, but no matter now. So, a group of blue (communist) electors within PA CHANGES their vote from ‘promised red” to “voted blue” BECAUSE of this agreement.
Those 15 or 25 “blue electors” flip the Electoral College from republican to democratic.
They don't need an NPV agreement to do any of that. As you pointed out, these are all reliably "blue" states that have signed the agreement anyway.
Go back to my previous post with the scenarios I presented. Can you even imagine in your wildest dreams a scenario where a Democratic presidential candidate wins the national popular vote but doesn't carry New York or California?
“,,,It also enhances the influence of the millions of “red” voters in deep “blue” states.”
No it doesn’t, not if millions of Leftist immigrant voters have just been added to the roles.
Look at this from the a Leftist’s point of view. Most of the job growth in the USA is in the Red states, so that’s where a lot of immigrants will eventually end up. What good does it do to force the USA to absorb 11 million new Democrat voters if they are spread out in various Red States where they might not provide a majority in a presidential election? The NPV solves this problem - those 11 million voters will swing the presidential election, even if many of them live in states who give their electoral votes to the Republican candidate.
Recent years have provided a horrifying lesson in how important presidential elections can be.
This is exactly why this push for a "national popular vote" is silly and pointless. This coalition can already do this today under the current system.
Isn't this exactly how Barack Obama won in 2008 and 2012?
You’re lock-on, focused solely on NY or CA.
It is the OTHER states that would get affected BY IL and CA and NY and Mass! It is THOSE STATES that are vulnerable to the agreement’s manipulations and blue bias.
I focus on New York and California only because they’re typical of the states that have signed onto this stupid NPV. Out of all the states (including the District of Columbia) that have signed this “interstate compact,” there isn’t a single one of them that has voted for a Republican candidate from 1992 onward. Replace “New York” and “California” with “Illinois” and “Vermont” in my posts on this thread, and the message would be unchanged.
Resolved,That the preceeding Constitution be laid before the United States in Congress assembled, and that it is the Opinion of this Convention, that it should afterwards be submitted to a Convention of Delegates, chosen in each State by the People thereof, under the Recommendation of its Legislature, for their Assent and Ratification; and that each Convention assenting to, and ratifying the Same, should give Notice thereof to the United States in Congress assembled. Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Convention, that as soon as the Conventions of nine States shall have ratified this Constitution, the United States in Congress assembled should fix a Day on which Electors should be appointed by the States which have ratified the same, and a Day on which the Electors should assemble to vote for the President, and the Time and Place for commencing Proceedings under this Constitution. That after such Publication the Electors should be appointed, and the Senators and Representatives elected: That the Electors should meet on the Day fixed for the Election of the President, and should transmit their Votes certified, signed, sealed and directed, as the Constitution requires, to the Secretary of the United States in Congress assembled, that the Senators and Representatives should convene at the Time and Place assigned; that the Senators should appoint a President of the Senate, for the sole purpose of receiving, opening and counting the Votes for President; and, that after he shall be chosen, the Congress, together with the President, should, without Delay, proceed to execute this Constitution.
The first electors of the people's republic, as a republic is supposed to operate, elected the President of the USA. After consultation and debate, they proceeded to elect George Washington WITHOUT the benefit of political parties.
“This coalition can already do this today under the current system.”
Is it really inconceivable that North Carolina, Michigan or Florida might swing to the Republican candidate in a close election, one in which due to demographic changes the Democrat candidate won the popular vote?
Apparently George Soros and his cohorts don’t think so.
It’s all a matter of who can outpopulate other groups.
Oh my goodness .. I don’t think I’ve ever had anyone tell me that in my whole life.
Thank you very much.
Good points and well thought out. I read somewhere that the first generation of Mexs will vote democommie for the free stuff but the second will be more conservative and switch to us, maybe. Their strong family and religious traditions are more closely aligned with ours than the dems.
Your handle, Junk Silver, is a handle that could apply to me as well. I did buy eagles but now buy privately minted silver since I trust the purity more then anything the Feds put out, plus the premium is lower. What say you?
I figure we must be close to production cost now and only way to go is up especially with Chinese and other Asian buyers coming more and more into the market. Any thoughts?
“I did buy eagles but now buy privately minted silver since I trust the purity more then anything the Feds put out, plus the premium is lower. What say you?”
I am no expert on things financial, but I say screw private mints and their mark-ups. Actual junk silver - pre-1965 US quarters and dimes - are to me the ideal place to put spare cash. If society keeps humming along these coins will continue to appreciate in value, and will always be a known and understood quantity.
If heaven forbid the SHTF you will still have real money that will be accepted everywhere, and in divisions small enough to be useable. Back in the early 1960s a quarter would buy a gallon of gas. A 1964 quarter will still buy a gallon of gas today, and I believe it will still do so long after today’s fiat dollars are useful only as toilet paper and kindling.
I have the junk silver stashed away looking at putting away larger amounts. Junk silver is getting harder to find around here. Like and have owned the Eagles but doubt the honesty of anything the Feds have a hand in, the private mints actually lower mark up than the Feds. Maple leafs also slightly lower. Also looking at bars.
Tobacco products...1/2 pints of alcoholic spirits...beans... rice...canned goods...ammo. All seem better than metals.
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