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THE TWO-YEAR GAP (Poor Nixon, his gap was only 18.5 minutes)
Powerlineblog ^ | 6-13-2014 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 06/13/2014 3:00:12 PM PDT by smoothsailing

June 13, 2014

THE TWO-YEAR GAP

Scott Johnson

The IRS has informed the House Ways and Means Committee that it has lost Lois Lerner email messages from January 2009–April 2011. Harkening back to the allegedly accidental erasure of 18 1/2 minutes of critical Oval Office recordings that contributed to Richard Nixon’s resignation from office, the IRS attributes the loss of Lerner email to a computer crash.

Some email survives: the agency retains Lerner email to and from other IRS employees during this period. The IRS claims it cannot produce email written only to or from Lerner and outside agencies or groups, such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or offices of Democrat congressmen. Funny how that works.

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp has issued the following statement, which seems to me short of the harsher indictment that is warranted at this point:

The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to Congressional inquiries. There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General.

Just a short time ago, Commissioner Koskinen promised to produce all Lerner documents. It appears now that was an empty promise. Frankly, these are the critical years of the targeting of conservative groups that could explain who knew what when, and what, if any, coordination there was between agencies. Instead, because of this loss of documents, we are conveniently left to believe that Lois Lerner acted alone.

This failure of the IRS requires the White House, which promised to get to the bottom of this, to do an Administration-wide search and production of any emails to or from Lois Lerner. The Administration has repeatedly referred us back to the IRS for production of materials. It is clear that is wholly insufficient when it comes to determining the full scope of the violation of taxpayer rights.

Reminder: The charge that Richard Nixon “endeavored” to misuse the IRS made its way into the second of the three articles of impeachment voted against him by the House Judiciary Committee. Nixon’s efforts to misuse the IRS were futile. They went nowhere. Nixon and his henchmen desired the IRS to “screw” their political opponents, but their efforts were a pathetic failure.

Nixon henchman Jack Caulfield astutely complained that the IRS was a “monstrous bureaucracy…dominated and controlled by Democrats.” As we have come to see, Caulfield was on to something. By contrast with Nixon’s failures to misuse the IRS, the IRS has very effectively “screwed” Obama’s political opponents, and we have yet to learn what the president knew and when he knew it.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: gettherope; impeachnow; irs; loislerner
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Emails? You don't need no stinking emails!

1 posted on 06/13/2014 3:00:12 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Tell them to find them or find new jobs —

We have open rebellion in this country and the rebels are collecting paychecks in Washington DC.


2 posted on 06/13/2014 3:03:12 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: smoothsailing

No problem, let the forensic computer guys find them, they aren’t gone


3 posted on 06/13/2014 3:03:15 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: smoothsailing

Impeachable offense!!


4 posted on 06/13/2014 3:03:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: smoothsailing

“Lost” is a euphemism for
“they include email between Cummings and Lerner
telling her what to do, and promising to cover it up,
so they were found ... and destroyed”


5 posted on 06/13/2014 3:04:22 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
so they were found ... and destroyed”

That's much, MUCH easier to do than to have a sudden catastrophic failure. This is complete BS. Will Congress have the balls to call them on this?

6 posted on 06/13/2014 3:05:44 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: smoothsailing

My response - call the good commissioner and give him 10 days to produce all of the email. After ten days the budget for the IRS will be reduced in an amount that requires laying off 1,000 employees for each day they are not delivered.


7 posted on 06/13/2014 3:05:50 PM PDT by wewereright
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To: smoothsailing

an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice

Riiiight, Holder will jump right on it.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 3:06:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Or demand the NSA provide them.
And they need to check her personal email accounts, since federal officials have apparently been using personal email accounts for official business to hide things from record requests.


9 posted on 06/13/2014 3:08:39 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: smoothsailing

Really strange how 0bummer computers are so selective when they crash.

Oh well, Eric the Red will probably get right on it and inform Lois and Elijah they’re home free.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 3:09:03 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

I call BS - they were backed up under FED LAW.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 3:10:24 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio

IT people nationwide are already calling BS on it.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 3:12:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: smoothsailing

This is the electronic equivalent of shredding documents.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 3:13:10 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Jim Robinson

You’re right, Jim. It was certainly an impeachable offense when the dems went after Nixon.

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Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment


14 posted on 06/13/2014 3:15:19 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Uh huh. The IRS has no backup of their email system?


15 posted on 06/13/2014 3:15:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: smoothsailing

Bet they have every email from every American citizen stored away with no problem though.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 3:18:16 PM PDT by bikerman (Bowe Bergdahl is a traitor not a hero and should be hung.)
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To: smoothsailing

IMmEDIATELY SIEZE ALL THE COMPUTERS


17 posted on 06/13/2014 3:22:51 PM PDT by Mr. K (Quiddom (or was it Qiddom))
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To: smoothsailing
House Republicans,

IMMEDIATELY cut funding for all IRS employees.

Every damn one of them.

18 posted on 06/13/2014 3:23:29 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: FredZarguna

WHERE ARE NSA RECORDS???
Subpoena them!!!!!

Is NSA only keeping track of domestic Tea pissed “terrorists”???


19 posted on 06/13/2014 3:24:17 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: wewereright

that might feel good to think that but it is a stupd suggestion

They need to jail the entire computer depart ment though-

there are RECORDS RETENTION LAWS the are supposed to be followed

and where are the BACKUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! REQUIRED BY LAW


20 posted on 06/13/2014 3:24:19 PM PDT by Mr. K (Quiddom (or was it Qiddom))
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To: jazusamo

Lerner’s inbox contains emails from both internal and external senders. But somehow the “crash” only whacked those emails of external origin. Riight.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 3:24:20 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: smoothsailing

Lois "Rosemary" Lerner demonstrates how easy it is to delete two years worth of emails [but only those to and from outside agencies] plus all backups on tape, DVD, and microfiche.

22 posted on 06/13/2014 3:24:31 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: jazusamo

You and I both know those emails weren’t lost. If they no longer exist, it’s only because they were deliberately destroyed. That can’t remain secret, this phony excuse is bound to unravel in relatively short order. The brazen gall of even attempting such a lie is astounding.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 3:24:59 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Next they’ll be blaming the ghost of Rose Mary Woods for the alleged “crash” and maybe tie in Fawn Hall for conjuring her spirit.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 3:25:34 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Ray76

Not only that, but her sent emails would have existed both locally and on the IRS [not the external agencies] servers.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 3:25:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: Uncle Chip

BTTT!


26 posted on 06/13/2014 3:27:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: FredZarguna

HA! Good one!


27 posted on 06/13/2014 3:27:36 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: FredZarguna

Steve Stockman has already requested the IRS metadata from the NSA. LOL


28 posted on 06/13/2014 3:28:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: smoothsailing

Emails are on servers, and have backup servers on top of backup servers. It’s just about impossible to lose emails this way.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 3:30:43 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: smoothsailing; Ray76
The brazen gall of even attempting such a lie is astounding.

Absolutely, my friend.

This is something that came right out of the 0bama/handlers/thugs playbook. If they're not nailed on this it will only be because no one follows up on it but we know there's a few honest Conservatives, it'll be up to them.

30 posted on 06/13/2014 3:33:53 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Mr. K
there are RECORDS RETENTION LAWS the are supposed to be followed

and where are the BACKUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! REQUIRED BY LAW

You have to be joking. The IRS is like the CIA and the FBI, they do not answer to anyone. Everyone answers to them

31 posted on 06/13/2014 3:35:19 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: smoothsailing

This is complete and total BS. No organization would allow e-mail to be stored on the workstation. It would be stored in the server e-mail store, which would be backed up daily.

And if the Federal Government really allows behavior that would likely get any private company prosecuted (failing to maintain official records) and allowed her to download the messages to her hard drive and erase them from the server, then they can send me the hard drive. I am a forensic computer examiner, and as long as the disks are not physically destroyed or deliberately wiped, I can recover most if not all that was lost.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 3:43:36 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Uncle Chip

Eric Holder will tell the FBI to get to the bottom of this. /s


33 posted on 06/13/2014 3:44:23 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: yldstrk

Who needs forensics guys ? Restore from backup tapes: requirement by long-standing law and practice is 5 year’s worth of data on tape, stored offsite. .


34 posted on 06/13/2014 3:47:42 PM PDT by Salgak
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To: CA Conservative

The IRS promised to release Lerner email’s until the DOJ read them and found out THE FOREIGNER would be in a whole lot of trouble. Then they had to either erase them or have him change his NOT EVEN A SMIDGEN to A WHOLE LOT OF SMIDGEN.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 3:52:18 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: smoothsailing

I’d be outraged, but my outrager is plum tuckered out.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 3:53:07 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Ray76

Cyber Sandy Berger.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 4:06:00 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: smoothsailing

If 2 yrs are missing then the crash was recent.

Document that crash.


38 posted on 06/13/2014 4:08:20 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: smoothsailing

Can’t we just call Putin and have Ed Snowden send us his backup files?


39 posted on 06/13/2014 4:08:47 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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Surely there is a trail documenting the outage, help desk tickets, hardware service call, and the like.


40 posted on 06/13/2014 4:09:26 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: smoothsailing

Nothing is lost. I assure you there is a backup copy around. I worked in the business long enough to not fall for this BS.


41 posted on 06/13/2014 4:10:03 PM PDT by Wavy_Wally
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To: LongWayHome

The fact that they’re throwing out such an obvious lie shows you their contempt for us - AND CONGRESS.


42 posted on 06/13/2014 4:11:11 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: smoothsailing

Hard drive crashed = the dog ate my homework.


43 posted on 06/13/2014 4:22:54 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: smoothsailing
they lost two years of BACKUPS TOO???
44 posted on 06/13/2014 4:24:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

2 yrs of data lost means the crash/deletion was recent. So there definitely are backups for most if not almost all of that data. Also, the hardware failure would have generated a trail documenting the failure and replacement of the hardware, and likely data restore to the failed disk.

This is a very obvious and transparent lie.

Congress must imprison these Lerner.


45 posted on 06/13/2014 4:28:27 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: smoothsailing
Do we know that they are really "lost," or are they just saying that they're lost?

This is an administration of liars. They were able to produce other Lerner emails before, and the hard drives are not segregated by person, so who else's emails are lost?

I bet that none are really lost. I bet that the Obama administration is lying even now, and that the emails are still there, or at worst are recoverable from back-ups.

-PJ

46 posted on 06/13/2014 4:29:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Ray76

I would like to know who did this, too. It would take a SysAdmin for sure. There’s no way Lerner had access or the knowledge of how to do this.


47 posted on 06/13/2014 4:29:58 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: aquila48

48 posted on 06/13/2014 4:32:37 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Uncle Chip
The IRS has informed the House Ways and Means Committee that it has lost Lois Lerner email messages from January 2009–April 2011

Fox? ABC? Reuters? AP? NBC? CBS? NY Times? Washington Post? Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?

49 posted on 06/13/2014 4:33:18 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

They need to prove that this ‘crash’ occurred. Absent that, the messages were deleted.

This is destruction of evidence. Evidence which Congress subpoenaed. Congress has imprisoned people for exactly this crime.


50 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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