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It was Putinís missile? [the CIA, neocons, NATO, and corporate media want you to think so]
Russian Propaganda Today ^ | July 19, 2014 | Pepe Escobar

Posted on 07/24/2014 1:26:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

Here’s the spin war verdict: the current Malaysian Airlines tragedy – the second in four months – is “terrorism” perpetrated by “pro-Russian separatists” armed by Russia and Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary ‘We came, we saw, he died’ Clinton said so. Because crazy Samantha ‘R2P’ Power said so – thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post.

Because Anglo-American corporate media – from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) – said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

Right off the bat they were all lined up – the invariably hysterical reams of ‘experts’ of the ‘US intelligence community’ literally foaming at their palatial mouths at ‘evil’ Russia and ‘evil’ Putin; intel ‘experts’ who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced; they don’t need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

It doesn’t matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And ‘objectively’ certainly does not mean that fictional ‘international community’ notion construed by Washington – the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.

And what about Carlos?

A simple search reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication had MH17 received from the Kiev air control tower?

Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

It won’t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation as to why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.

The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17’s crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft.

Radiation from a battery’s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk] was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17’s flight path.

The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles (80km). MH17 was flying at 500mph. So assuming the ‘rebels’ had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high.

For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

And then there’s the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev’s tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he’s never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account – not accidentally – has been shut down and he has disappeared. His friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online. And now copies and an English translation are available.

These are some of his crucial tweets:

“The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48pm)”

“If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)”

“As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)”

"Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don’t believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)”

“The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn’t. (7.15)”

“The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)”

Carlos’s assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here: the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior - NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andrey Paruby, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-Nazis on Maidan.

Assuming Carlos is legit, the assessment makes sense. The Ukrainian military are divided between Chocolate king [President Petro] Poroshenko – who would like a détente with Russia essentially to advance his shady business interests - and St. Yulia Tymoshenko, who’s on the record advocating genocide of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. US neo-cons and US “military advisers” on the ground are proverbially hedging their bets, supporting both the Poroshenko and Tymoshenko factions.

So who profits?

The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

As for Kiev, they’d have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off – especially after Kiev’s militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass. And this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

And then there’s the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel ‘cautiously’ advances its new invasion/slow-motion-ethnic-cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity.

Washington, of course, does profit. What the Empire of Chaos gets in this case is a ceasefire (so the disorganized, battered Kiev militias may be resupplied); the branding of eastern Ukrainians as de facto ‘terrorists’ (as Kiev, Dick Cheney-style, always wanted); and unlimited mud thrown over Russia and Putin in particular until Kingdom Come. Not bad for a few minutes’ work. As for NATO, that’s Christmas in July.

From now on, it all depends on Russian intelligence. They have been surveilling/tracking everything that happens in Ukraine 24/7. In the next 72 hours, after poring over a lot of tracking data, using telemetry, radar and satellite tracking, they will know which type of missile was launched, from where, and even produce communications from the battery that launched it. And they will have access to forensic evidence.

Unlike Washington – who already knows everything, with no evidence whatsoever (remember 9/11?) – Moscow will take its time to know the basic journalistic facts of what, where, and who, and engage on proving the truth and/or disproving Washington’s spin.

The historical record shows Washington simply won’t release data if it points to a missile coming from its Kiev vassals. The data may even point to a bomb planted on MH17, or mechanical failure – although that’s unlikely. If this was a terrible mistake by the Novorossiya rebels, Moscow will have to reluctantly admit it. If Kiev did it, the revelation will be instantaneous. Anyway we already know the hysterical Western response, no matter what; Russia is to blame.

Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a ceasefire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him to do in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they – theoretically – control.

But all that is already forgotten in the fog of war, tragedy and hype. As for Washington’s hysterical claims of credibility, I leave you with just one number: Iran Air 655.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: mh17
I love this crap. RT places a disclaimer on this "opinion," and the writer proceeds to state everything that RT has been "reporting."
1 posted on 07/24/2014 1:26:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Pepe is ‘truther’, btw.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 1:28:32 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

3 posted on 07/24/2014 1:29:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Pure unadulterated Russian propaganda. Maybe we think the pro-Russian militants did it, not because the CIA told us, but because they were stupid enough to announce they shot the plane down on their social networking page?


4 posted on 07/24/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: 1rudeboy
"And then there’s the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev’s tower, who was following MH17 in real time."

So the Russkies are still going with this? The Spanish have said that no such person as Carlos exists there. Apparently this "Carlos" was also talking it up during the Maidan too, with predictable commentary.

5 posted on 07/24/2014 1:33:32 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 1rudeboy

What an amazing piece of shoddily put together fiction.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 1:34:05 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

And this is what the retard Putinistas have been vomiting up for us on this forum, most of whom too afraid to talk about where they get their “proof” for this or that stupidity they slip into their posts like anecdotes.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 1:38:42 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Ingtar

The only button he failed to push was the Nazi/fascist one . . . although he came close. Merely an oversight on his part, I’m sure.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 1:38:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Guy gets around, eh ?

Seems I recall him hovering around the JFK assassination ... hmmmm ?

9 posted on 07/24/2014 1:38:53 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“A simple search reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200km north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysian Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why?”

WEATHER. This author could have done a google search and found that out.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 1:54:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: 1rudeboy
FOCUS ON THE BORDER!!
11 posted on 07/24/2014 1:57:46 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 1rudeboy

and all that artillery flying over the border from Russia, that it also Putins


12 posted on 07/24/2014 2:03:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/if-putin-isnt-punished-europe-risks-a-wider-war/article19736987/


13 posted on 07/24/2014 2:10:39 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Chew gum and walk at the same time.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 2:12:17 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Where’s the BARF alert?


15 posted on 07/24/2014 2:15:34 PM PDT by brothers4thID (Be professional, be courteous, and have a plan to kill everyone in the room.)
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To: brothers4thID

In Russia, BARF alert finds you.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 2:21:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Do you think that Pepe Escobar posts here???


17 posted on 07/24/2014 2:21:07 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: elhombrelibre

Given that I trust Putin a great deal more than I trust Obama I will assume that the Obama smoke and mirrors machine is running pedal to the metal.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 2:23:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What do you trust Putin to do? Just curious.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 2:28:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I can count on Putin to do what is best for Russia.


20 posted on 07/24/2014 2:37:35 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
So, let's say Obama was corrupt, had no respect for the rule of law, prone to imprison his opponents and silence his critics, all with the help of a willing media. You'd give him a pass if he gobbled-up a small piece of Canada or Mexico now and then?
21 posted on 07/24/2014 2:41:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
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Nothing happens in Russia ... and especially with Russian-made SAMS ...

without Putin's DIRECT approval.


Proof ?


If Putin was innocent, he would have "arrested" the "SAM Terrorists" himself ...

and presented them to the U.N. Commission for War Crimes ...


Period.

Argument settled.



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22 posted on 07/24/2014 5:03:34 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Theoria

Well that does say it all....next!


23 posted on 07/24/2014 6:05:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I think everyone’s more concerned about Ukraine’s/Russia’s border than ours.....at least Obama would want us to do just that.

He’s going to continue this war in Ukraine just to keep eyes away from what’s going down here he’s causing...so he goes off on a supposed vacation just to let us gripe he’s done so...wonder what ‘phone’s’ he’s using there... before he uses his pen when he gets back.


24 posted on 07/24/2014 6:10:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: 1rudeboy; 2ndDivisionVet; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Liz
RE:”As for Kiev, they’d have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off – especially after Kiev’s militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass. And this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.”

Makes perfect sense.

Just like Poland and Czechoslovakia provoked war with Nazi Germany in the 1930s, they had the most to benefit, not Hitler.

Getting that Russian weapon and making it look like the Russians used it was diabolical.

25 posted on 07/24/2014 8:04:39 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs; Theoria; 1rudeboy

Peepee Escobar sounds like a doodyhead.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 8:24:19 AM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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27 posted on 12/21/2014 5:39:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ _____________________ Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Impy

I’m surprised he didn’t blame “Nazi Jews”.


28 posted on 12/21/2014 5:41:55 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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