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Why Aren't Any Republicans Talking About Getting Government Out of the Marriage Business?
Reaganite Republican ^ | 04 October 2015 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/04/2015 8:58:46 AM PST by Reaganite Republican


Look, you can be as close with any consenting adult as you like. I sure don't care what they're doing behind closed doors, either- why let things you cannot possibly control bother you?

But 'marriage' exists for the purpose of creating families and providing a stable environment for the raising of children- and deep down, everybody knows it... 

Government needs to step-away from the moral side of this topic -which is really none of it's concern- and issue ANY and all couples 'civil partnership' arrangements, as is done in -of all places- France. 

People can pick whatever church they like to get 'married', and apparently quite a number don't mind performing marriage ceremonies for gay couples. 

The left should have no problem with that, except they're out to control gays -and their sympathizers- as a dependable voter block and need the federal government involved- obviously.

But what Republicans need is to eliminate this debate as an ongoing election issue -it's a permanent, guaranteed political LOSER as it stands- and prevent the left from bludgeoning us over the head with disingenuous 'gotcha' questions all the time. Actually 'gay marriage' needs to be removed from our lexicon -and the political sphere- entirely.

Homosexuals can go get married wherever they like -Vegas chapel, whatever- but it is against the US Constitution to force -say- the Catholic Church to perform gay ceremonies. It's also unconstitutional to compel Christians to bake Troy and Brandon their rainbow cake. 

Of course, the situation with clerk Kim Davis in Kentucky could have been avoided entirely- instead of the left being able to target this poor woman for humiliation and manufactured outrage.

Surely federal and state governments have better things to do than get involved in ANYthing beyond legal, binding 'civil partnerships' for any and all couples-- and that means two old widows who just want to lease a car together, buy property, get hospital visits, guarantee inheritance, enjoy tax benefits, or otherwise pool their resources. What's the problem with that?

As a lifelong Catholic, I personally dislike gay 'marriage', and consider it a farce- but other people's business isn't mine. And the issue will never, ever do the Republican Party one bit of good politically. My favorite Ted Cruz says 'leave it to the states', but as long as we continue to debate this Republicans will be painted as 'intolerant' by the left.

Perhaps some gay people who desire a strong economy -and don't particularly yearn to be tossed off a rooftop by ISIS- would actually evolve more responsible voters, concerned for the general welfare of the nation instead of being the one-issue voters they so often are. 

You'd have to imagine with this 'marriage' issue off-the-table a lot of homosexuals might come to their senses and realize what havoc they've helped foist upon this once-great land by voting for sweet-talking liberal charlatans who pumped-up their self-esteem with shallow symbolism...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gay; gopagenda; homosexual; libertarianagenda; marriage; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; union
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1 posted on 11/04/2015 8:58:46 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

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2 posted on 11/04/2015 8:59:55 AM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM - OPPORTUNITY - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because they don’t want their Democrat friends calling them “bigots”


3 posted on 11/04/2015 9:00:01 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because a lot of RINO-publicans love any sort of big government they can get like their corrupt counterparts/compatriots.


4 posted on 11/04/2015 9:00:31 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Get government out of the marriage business? Why -- and give up an issue the GOPe can use to pander to the base!
5 posted on 11/04/2015 9:03:32 AM PST by buckalfa (I am feeling much better now.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“But ‘marriage’ exists for the purpose of creating families and providing a stable environment for the raising of children- and deep down, everybody knows it”

And maintaining civilization by the commitment of a man and a woman to be together as one.

Marriage has great value even without children.


6 posted on 11/04/2015 9:08:44 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because they know it’s not possible. As long as government is in the marriage dissolution business it will be in the marriage business.


7 posted on 11/04/2015 9:09:52 AM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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To: ifinnegan

I agree- I am in a childless marriage and surely feel it worthwhile


8 posted on 11/04/2015 9:12:26 AM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM - OPPORTUNITY - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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To: Reaganite Republican

In other words, you want us to surrender.

Also, stop calling it “gay marriage.”


9 posted on 11/04/2015 9:14:45 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (I am going to get those guns out of peoples hands. - Hillary Clinton 10/05/2015)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“The arguments I make for marriage and family are straightforward, even plain. Central planners have always understood that when you legally isolate people, you can better control them. Take away the sanctuaries of marriage and family, and you take away everybody’s privacy and autonomy. The state zooms into that vacuum.”

“Too many Americans seem hypnotized by the slogan that abolishing civil marriage will ‘get the state out of the marriage business.’ [] Have you ever heard anyone who makes this claim explain exactly how it gets the state ‘out’? I haven’t, and I’ve concluded that’s because it does no such thing. Rather, by abolishing marriage, you simply give the state permission to refuse to recognize your marriage, and its attendant rights and responsibilities. This refusal inevitably extends to the rest of family relationships, including parent-child.”

“Thus, the effort to abolish marriage is intimately connected to the ongoing radical redefinition of family. All of this is about - whether consciously and willfully, or not - abolishing family autonomy, abolishing privacy, and, by logical extension, abolishing all personal relationships based on mutual trust. If there is no legally protected autonomy in the family, how can it exist in any other personal relationship? It can’t. By abolishing marriage, we all become strangers to one another in the eyes of the state. Statists have always salivated at the prospect of regulating all of our personal relationships, all of our social interactions. This is not good.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3347481/posts


10 posted on 11/04/2015 9:15:54 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because, like RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE, the GOP BEGAN it,
imposed it, threatened anyone (clerks in Mass.) who
did not bend to the GOP agenda.


11 posted on 11/04/2015 9:18:24 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Surrender what?

Government shouldn’t care about anything the legal/business side of these relationships- which gays are always going to have access to now anyway.

I just don’t think GOVERNMENT is the one who ought to be deciding whether the roomate/financial relationship constitutes a ‘marriage’- and they’re already doing that all over the place.

If I rolled everybody back -straight couples too- to ‘civil partnerships’, I sure don’t see what I’ve surrendered... rather, we’ve stopped government sanctioned gay ‘marriage’ and all the political ramifications that come with that.

There is an awful lot of gay entrepreneurs, it seems- they should be voting Republican, it’s in their general interest to do so


12 posted on 11/04/2015 9:21:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM - OPPORTUNITY - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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To: Theodore R.

And their wives won’t get invited to the “good” parties.


13 posted on 11/04/2015 9:22:31 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Reaganite Republican
"...lease a car together, buy property, get hospital visits, guarantee inheritance, enjoy tax benefits, or otherwise pool their resources...." and collect extra welfare and Social Security benefits.

Gotta give the old queens the ability to buy a boy with Survivor benefits.

14 posted on 11/04/2015 9:23:04 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

It’s true.

It matures us and fosters responsibility and greater understanding

Staying with the same sex is a type of continual childhood/adolescence.

Best to you and your spouse.

(We have two kids, girl 20 and boy 13).


15 posted on 11/04/2015 9:26:01 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Reaganite Republican

Why Aren’t Any Republicans Talking About the ever looming threat of Islam?
Nothing is being said about Al-Zawahiri’command for lone wolf attacks in the West. Notice what is happening in ISRAEL with the public stabbings and shootings?

Do these numbnuts think that we have no lone wolves hiding among our population? Hey you imbiciles, these lone wolves are MUSLIMS and NOT Presbyterians.
I see no difference between these candidates and what we already have in Congress. The nation is being hoodwinked again.


16 posted on 11/04/2015 9:31:36 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: MrB
Blame the lawyers.

Think of the money to be made for all the gay divorces.

Not my original thought but my husband's.

Society does not have ill will to Gay. As a Catholic, I say, what would Jesus do? He would not dislike them quite the opposite. The fact is the fact, marriage is by definition between a man and a woman. You cannot change this no matter what society dictates. Apples are apples, they are not oranges. Sorry rambled...

17 posted on 11/04/2015 9:33:46 AM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Why aren’t any Republicans talking about getting out of the murder prevention business? After all, murder prevention is a religious issue. A fine secular society has no business using the organs of government to enforce a religious institution like preventing murder.

All the silly “black lives matters” and other moral hangups we are involved in at the moment go away when we stop using government to enforce a moral code of preventing murder...

Marriage is foundational to society building. That’s why religion blesses it, thats why governments bless it. Both are, or have traditionally believed in building society.

The whole purpose of the attacks on marriage that we are seeing is not just to destroy marriage, but the society it founds.

When government gives up on promoting traditional marriage, the leftists have won. That was the point of the whole damn exercise.

Because, as a Republican, I want a society that is blessed and prospers, and because I understand that promoting traditional marriage is essential to that outcome, I know that promoting marriage isn’t just a personal religious belief, it’s a societal and governmental imperative.


18 posted on 11/04/2015 9:44:28 AM PST by ziravan (Buck the Establishment.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I believe there is a strain on our side who truly believe they can turn the beast of big government back to their own purposes. The Catholics want the government to be a big charity, the Baptists want to use the government to stamp out porn, sodomy, and dancing etc etc. This is why the beast never gets cut down when we have the power. The rational position is sudden death or rollback for these programs and agencies, yet nothing ever gets killed off except things we need, like the A-10.


19 posted on 11/04/2015 10:13:36 AM PST by BRK
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To: ifinnegan

However, there was no such thing as “Lincensed Marriage” until the late 1800’s.

There shouldn’t be now, as it no longer has a “traditional” value.


20 posted on 11/04/2015 10:15:13 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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