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By "honor him for his service", I mean that it be recognized that he served, and was discharged, honorably.

He should get the same recognition for his service as other veterans, no more, no less.

He deserves plenty of scorn for many other things, of course.

1 posted on 11/07/2015 5:57:51 AM PST by marktwain
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There is no magazine in the rifle, so it is likely unloaded,

That assumption has killed innumerable people.

Yep, wherever Al was when that picture was taken, we have been told he served, in whatever capacity. I'm not down on him for that.

He has done plenty since then to be worthy of derision.

2 posted on 11/07/2015 6:01:49 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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I’ve seen boonie grass and that background looks like it. Further the author says “look at the muzzle brake” - you can’t see the muzzle break because it has a plastic/nylon cap cover on it! I have a bunch of those for my ARs.

That said, it was dumb to be fiddling with the sling even if there was no magazine in it. The gear? I have no idea what the journalist hooch had in the way of bush gear, but I bet it wasn’t much.


3 posted on 11/07/2015 6:07:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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Korea


4 posted on 11/07/2015 6:08:13 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Maybe there is a canteen on the other side of his ruck, to offset the weight? Also, many troops were in fact issued rubberized rain gear. Most uncomfortable to wear.


5 posted on 11/07/2015 6:13:52 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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I remember reading somewhere that he was only in VN for like six months and during that time he stayed in Saigon and pretty much had his own security; he wasn’t even allowed to go out in the field.


6 posted on 11/07/2015 6:14:21 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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This famous photograph of Al Gore, was supposedly posted on his web site when he was running for president in 1999.
Gheeze, talk about old news. Just WTH is the (original) author's purpose of posting this if he already acknowledges Gore is a 'Nam vet?
7 posted on 11/07/2015 6:18:18 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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I made that picture into a sign with the caption ‘Algore Demonstrates his Knowledge of Firearms Safety’. It was a big hit at the Second Amendment Sisters rally.


8 posted on 11/07/2015 6:21:50 AM PST by real saxophonist (YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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Those plants in the background look like phragmites (australis). Phragmites looks very “jungle like” but it’s an invasive weed that has been growing in the US for a couple hundred years. There is a lot of it around the Chesapeake bay.

This staged photo could have been taken anywhere. A foggy winter morning in Maryland perhaps?


9 posted on 11/07/2015 6:25:32 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Voting is self-abuse - without the pleasure.)
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11 posted on 11/07/2015 6:33:23 AM PST by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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Taken the same day?


13 posted on 11/07/2015 6:39:21 AM PST by smoothsailing
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I agree: the gear doesn’t look like anything worn in Vietnam.
It may have been taken elsewhere (stateside?) when he was in training.

But the statement that it was taken “in Vietnam” looked questionable from the first.


14 posted on 11/07/2015 6:40:05 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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Interesting: never saw anybody loaded up like that the whole time I was in Vietnam! Huge pack, no cartridge belt (which is where you usually carried canteens, med kit, mag pouches - since you dump your pack well before you get shot at) and that absolutely useless rain jacket. Caused instantaneous sweat, stank to high heaven, and made a lot of noise while you were moving.

Algore was a REMF's REMF!

18 posted on 11/07/2015 7:24:29 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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Wasn’t his length of “service” FOUR MONTHS before he was back home with a self-inflicted shot to his buttock? Or is that just a joke I heard.


19 posted on 11/07/2015 7:24:48 AM PST by txrefugee
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When in the Boy Scouts going up into the Blue Ridge Mountains for a camping trip our gear was better stowed than that.


21 posted on 11/07/2015 7:37:30 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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22 posted on 11/07/2015 7:46:31 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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I wouldn’t piss on John Kerry if he was on fire but the analysis of the photo is BS.

I was in RVN in ‘68.

Weapons were not always kept loaded and mags were often carried in bandoleers rather than the issued mag pouches. A junior Navy officer might well have them under his rain jacket.

Might not there be another canteen on the OTHER SIDE of the ruck? I usually had one INSIDE the ruck as well.

I had a US Navy anorak which I had a zipper put into that I wore during monsoon season. I was not the only one and no one ever said anything about it.

In the central highlands we were issued, and needed, down sleeping bags and field jacket liners. It was not hot, all the time, everywhere, in Vitnam.

Wasn’t he supposed to be on a Swift Boat? If I were heading out on a boat, I would probably rig my pack diferently than if I were going to be humping it all day.

Food would be IN the rucksack not dangling around his neck where you could see it.

On a Swift Boat, if there were grenades they would be in a wooden case, not hanging from the skipper’s LBE.

We often wore boonie hats on patrol and left our steel pots behind. On the fire bases we usually left our steel pots on the trails of the guns. We wore soft hats or caps most of the time when not actually engaged in a fire mission or under attack.

His M16 has the shipping cover over the muzzle. A lot of troops did this to keep debris out of the muzzle. It was prohibited but we did it anyway.

If carrying a ruck, the LBE suspenders might not be used, especially if you are just heading down to the boat. If I weren’t heading out into the bush, just taking my gear down to the boat, I would not bother with tucking and rolling the straps.

Even in the Army (And Kerry was Navy) we wore our hair very long by the military standards of the day and that was much longer than troops do now.

Kerry could not have gotten away with dressing like that in any stateside training camp but in RVN it was quite common for troops to wear non-issued clothing, forego weekly haircuts and ignore uniform regulations.

The photo was taken in Vietnam as part of Kerry’s image building program.


26 posted on 11/07/2015 9:17:10 AM PST by Chuckster ("Them Rag Heads just ain't rational" Curly Bartley 1973)
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