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Judge Smacks Down Trump’s Ted Cruz Birther Claims, and Hardly Anyone Covers It
Law Newz ^ | March 20, 2016 | Rachel Stockman

Posted on 03/21/2016 8:55:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: mak5
That piece of legal advocacy from the Harvard Law Review Forum was examined here:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3381827/posts

61 posted on 03/21/2016 10:27:32 AM PDT by Joachim
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To: SubMareener

None of that rant has anything to do with the decision that is the topic of this thread.


62 posted on 03/21/2016 10:39:49 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Rannug

Ma’am, I believe you need to mind your own biz.

YOU have a nice week. ;-)


63 posted on 03/21/2016 10:44:20 AM PDT by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: DoodleDawg

What I’m talking about is that with that resolution McCain settled the nbc issue to a point where it wouldn’t come up in the campaign. He brought it to a perceived reality that worked in his favor. Obama did that with the birth certificate that wasn’t contested. All Cruz has done is said “you can trust me”.


64 posted on 03/21/2016 11:01:49 AM PDT by grania
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To: xzins
Ted Cruz was a Canadian citizen.

Sorry. Not so.

Since Cruz did not appear at a Canadian Consulate (or the Embassy) and formally opt for Canadian citizenship at some point after reaching the age of 18, he never became a Canadian citizen.

The "renouncing" of same last year was for appearances, nothing more.

65 posted on 03/21/2016 11:16:46 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORAN?0CE Owhich has been the object of the exercise all along.N PARADE)
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To: xzins
In our day, the legal system views ‘citizen at birth’ and ‘natural born citizen’ to be one and the same thing. It’s hard to escape that fact.

If back in your day was seven years ago you might be right, otherwise you are just spouting B$.

I remember countless conversations about NBC after WW II and GIs began bringing home their foreign born children. I never talked to a single vet that considered his foreign born child as NBC.

It doesn't really matter this cycle because there is no avenue for Ted to become the nominee. It distresses me that the Cruz supporters believe that the GOP would get to a brokered convention and do anything other than pull a candidate out of their collective @rses.

66 posted on 03/21/2016 11:33:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: okie01

No, it’s the same as the US. He’s a citizen at birth by virtue of being born there, and there’s no requirement to do anything else.

http://meurrensonimmigration.com/canada-and-birthright-citizenship/

“Canadian law contains a similar principle. Ever since Canadian citizenship was first granted on January 1, 1947, an individual has been considered to be a Canadian citizen if he/she was born in Canada. This is provided for by section 3(1)(a) of the Citizenship Act, which states that:

3. (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen if

(a) the person was born in Canada after February 14, 1977;

Granting citizenship on the basis of geographic birthplace is known as citizenship jus soli, or “from the soil”. In countries that have citizenship jus soli, or birthright citizenship, it makes no difference what the citizenship or immigration status of the infant’s parents was at the time of birth is (with the exception of children born to diplomats). For example, if a tourist arrives in Canada on a six-month visa, does not disclose that she is pregnant, and then gives birth in Vancouver six months later, then her child will be Canadian.”

Also See: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-ted-cruz-born-a-citizen-of-canada-under-the-countrys-immigration-rules.ece

“Cruz is also a Canadian citizen, according to the Canadian law experts the Morning News spoke with. Under the Citizenship Act of 1947, anyone born in Canada is automatically granted citizenship at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat. (Cruz’s parents were not.) Or, more simply, as University of Montreal law professor France Houle put it: “If a child was born in the territory, he is Canadian, period.””


67 posted on 03/21/2016 11:48:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: okie01
Since Cruz did not appear at a Canadian Consulate (or the Embassy) and formally opt for Canadian citizenship at some point after reaching the age of 18, he never became a Canadian citizen.

Please show evidence that he did not. Hard to do since like Obama, Ted has had his records sealed.

68 posted on 03/21/2016 11:48:56 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: itsahoot

In our day, the legal system do consider NBC and ‘citizen at birth’ to be the same thing. Otherwise, they wouldn’t keep saying that Cruz is eligible to be President.


69 posted on 03/21/2016 11:50:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: itsahoot
Ted has had his records sealed

No records are sealed. Where did you get that information?

70 posted on 03/21/2016 12:07:19 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: xzins
-- In our day, the legal system do consider NBC and `citizen at birth' to be the same thing. --

That will come as a shock to the immigration judges who apply SCOTUS precedent.

71 posted on 03/21/2016 12:36:23 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

It’s the argument that’s given regarding Cruz’s eligibility for the presidency


72 posted on 03/21/2016 12:37:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: itsahoot

See #67.

Cruz was a citizen at birth in Canada and had no requirement to file papers anyplace.


73 posted on 03/21/2016 12:39:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: xzins
-- It's the argument that's given regarding Cruz's eligibility for the presidency --

Yes, it is. I've read the arguments put forward in the election cases, by Cruz's lawyers. The arguments are dishonest, avoiding certain cases, and cherry picking from others in a way that is misleading.

74 posted on 03/21/2016 12:42:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why did the congress feel the need to pass a resolution so that McCain could run after he was born of two US citizens but in a Panamanian hospital?


75 posted on 03/21/2016 12:45:37 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: xzins

Maybe you should try this in a larger font, maybe even all caps, because no one hears you. He was a citizen at birth of Canada. You don’t even know for a fact he was born in Canada or if he was found under a cabbage plant in Cuba.


76 posted on 03/21/2016 12:46:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: okie01
No records are sealed. Where did you get that information?

Right here on FR. If you have access to them pleas post same here. I won't hold my breath.

77 posted on 03/21/2016 12:48:18 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: xzins
-- Cruz was a citizen at birth in Canada and had no requirement to file papers anyplace. --

A person born abroad is presumed an alien. In order to overcome the presumption, it is necessary to present evidence for adjudication. I don't know if that fits your defintion of "filing papers someplace," but his Canadian BC plus his mothers Delaware BC are not enough to make him a US citizen.

78 posted on 03/21/2016 12:49:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: xzins
In our day, the legal system do consider NBC and ‘citizen at birth’ to be the same thing.

Our legal system considers Illegals as undocumented too. Cruz and Obama supporters agree with you but hardly anyone else. That state court judge's opinion means almost as much as a sense of the Senate resolution declaring amnesty for the Christmas Turkey.

79 posted on 03/21/2016 12:51:20 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Because Panama isn’t the United States?


80 posted on 03/21/2016 12:51:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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