It goes without saying that this election on November 8 is the most important in our lifetimes. Fight!
I am sure they will try, but hope they won’t succeed.
If Trump shows up with a plurality, and the GOPe engineer giving the nomination to anyone else, then welcome President Hillary the destruction of the Republican Party.
As a Cruz supporter: I’LL LEAVE.
Corrected. I refuse to see them as Republicans anymore because they are not in the slightest. Seriously, the gig is up, they are deliberately trying to get Hillary elected and it's going to be absolutely outrageous if we allow these DEMOCRATS to disrupt our own nomination process, there is going to a riot if these sleaze bags try to pull this BS.
Let me explain something to you, Lame Cherry. If you read the rules, you sure didn't understand them. Nobody is moving the freaking goal posts.
There are no goal posts. Each convention votes in its own rules. Until they do, there are only suggested guidelines!
No there won't be. The courts have ruled repeatedly that political parties make their own rules. Political association is still a choice in America. If you don't like the party rules, disassociate or change the rules by gaining a majority.
What I learned: It doesn’t matter if or how I vote. Confirmed what it has seemed like since 1992. Great.
Since Senor Rafael de Cruz is involved with stealing
delegates, his Chrisianity and Beck-announced
“annointing”, (more like appointing), is to my eyes,
a thin fence whitewashing.
My vote is for Trump.
If this GOP Cincinnati clusterbuck offers any seated
or past-due, out-of-date-backroom-circle-yank
politician, then the American voting populace
should declare open pitchfork season on all
names on that attendance roster, with their
pictures on every poster board in every supermarket.
I ditched and switched, to vote for Trump. If the
GOP does what they propose to do, I will ditch and
switch back, and vote for Gary Johnson on the
Libertarian ticket.
First off, I know for a fact that in SC, if you are elected as a delegate you have to vote on the first ballot for the winner of your district. Which in this case is Trump, after that if there are any other ballots taken, they are free to vote for whomever. Don’t like, then change the law in SC, then don’t whine when in four years or eight that rule now is working for the establishment. Second, every state has their own rules on how this works, how the delegates are chosen, how they are apportioned, etc. etc. So there is a legal framework in place. Second nowhere except the Northern Mariana Islands has trump scored a majority of voters, he has won a plurality. In America, we don’t have rule by the plurality, we don’t even have rule by majority. We have rule by majority of representation, meaning you have to win a majority of a specific group of majorities. I.E. The Electoral College.
Third, it is not a Bribe if it is legal, and offering incentives for a delegates support is technically legal. Where Trump is going to have problems is where Ted Cruz is in a position to failing the outright nomination, do what Ron Paul wanted to do in 2008, and 2012.
That was force the nomination into a second or third ballot, and have more of his supporters as delegates who would vote for him when it got three ballots in. Romney and McCain stopped that by winning it on the first ballot.
Wrong again. The Rules Committee votes on proposed rules that must be passed by the entire national delegation.
The Cruz scandal has destroyed the Gope’s plan. He might not win another state. Kasich by himself will not stop Trump.
Reading for later.
As a Cruz supporter, I’ll be voting Trump because I want a first ballot victory for the most conservative candidate who can win on that first ballot. The alternative is an establishment pick on the second or a later ballot, and that would be much worse than Cruz or Trump.
I approve of both Cruz and Kasich staying in the race, since Kasich gives the establishment some hope, and Cruz splits the anti-Trump vote. I approve of Cruz maneuvering for delegates, as Kasich is doing, and as Trump is doing. That is how it has always been done, just like bluffing is accepted in poker. Their mutual efforts should (mostly) neutralize each other and cancel out.
RULE NO. 16 says that bound delegates must vote as bound on the first ballot.
As for rule 40b, read it carefully.
https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012_RULES_Adopted.pdf (page number 39-40 on the pages; pdf file pages 43-44)
“RULE NO. 40 (b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination. Notwithstanding any other provisions of these rules or any rule of the House of Representatives, to demonstrate the support required of this paragraph a certificate evidencing the affirmative written support of the required number of permanently seated delegates from each of the eight (8) or more states shall have been submitted to the secretary of the convention not later than one (1) hour prior to the placing of the names of candidates for nomination pursuant to this rule and the established order of business.”
In the second round of voting, even Donald Trump would have to present evidence that he still has the support of a majority of delegates from eight or more states. Also, in the second round of voting, even Jeb could be nominated if he could present certifications from a majority of delegates from eight or more states. Rule 40 (b) does not contain a requirement for a majority of voters in the primaries.
Cruz has a majority of bound delegates in Texas, Kansas, Maine, Idaho, and Utah, for five of the eight he needs. If he gets three more states: including the Rubio delegates from Minnesota, Louisiana, or Puerto Rico; unbound delegates from Colorado, DC, American Samoa; or any of the remaining states, Cruz can be nominated in the first round too. Part of the purpose of unbound delegates is to negotiate with nominees for their support in exactly this manner.
These somewhat ugly rules are how the game is played, and I assume Trump is playing by the same rules. He’d better be proving mastery of The Art of the Deal, or he won’t win.
“Donald Trump won South Carolina, but is being conspired against to not get one vote at the convention.”
You failed to explain how the SC delegation will be kept from casting it’s votes for Trump on the first ballot.
Recommended reading:
GOPe is in bed with the Democrats for a Hillary presidency.
See:
Tech billionaires (major Dem donors) plot with GOP leaders at exclusive island resort to stop Trump
While the article presented was about as misleading as anything I have seen on this subject, it did seem to bring out a more reasoned array of comments than we have seen recently. After reading the first 26 post, I estimate that at least half showed a detailed understanding of the process.
It seems that of late, reasoned discussion has been drowned out by emotional rants and ad hominem attacks. It would be nice to have at least one thread every day or so that dealt with facts rather than rumor.
The courts don’t get involved in political parties rules.
bkmk
Frankly, I quit putting much credence in Lame Cherry when I read all about the oil patch in ND in an article. It was so far off base I wasn’t sure he/she had the right state.