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Black Powder History Pt 1
AShooting Journal ^ | 5/24/2016 | Bob Shell

Posted on 05/24/2016 9:25:36 AM PDT by w1n1

Black Powder - Invention to Explosion

It is believed that the Chinese have been using black powder for about a thousand years and they are generally credited with its invention starting with fireworks. Around 700 years ago someone came up with the idea that if you put some black powder in a tube with a rock it would expel the rock out at sufficient velocity to make it a weapon. Another early idea was to use reinforced bamboo to shoot arrows and darts. No one knows who thought of this, but they did indeed change the world. The general consensus is the Chinese and Arabs were among the earliest to use guns in war.


Black powder today is just that – black. But black powder from centuries ago used to be gray and much weaker.
Today, it is common to find powders that include a mixture of saltpeter, charcoal and sulphur.

The guns of the 13th century bore little resemblance to today's weapons, and the black powder formula is essentially the same as it was then, although the older powders were weaker and gray in colored. One of the few improvements included making powder with water, so it could be made into a cake-like compound. That seemed to make it more reliable and safer. A popular formula today is 75 percent saltpeter, 15 percent charcoal and 10 percent sulfur. There are and have been other formulas used throughout the centuries, and as time went on they improved the formula and strength. Even today, powders are better than just a few years ago.

What are the characteristics of this ancient propellant? First, it is considered an explosive as opposed to a propellant such as smokeless powders and black-powder substitutes. This means that it is highly regulated and harder to buy. If you want to sell black powder, you have to get a special license issued by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (BATFE or ATF), and you must have special storage containers. Read the rest of the black powder story here.


TOPICS: Education; History; Hobbies; Outdoors
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1 posted on 05/24/2016 9:25:36 AM PDT by w1n1
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To: w1n1

I remember making black powder with a Gilbert Chemistry Set in the mid-1950s. They actually gave you enough ingredients to make 2 or 3 fire crackers.
In today’s chemistry sets, you’d be lucky to get baking soda and vinegar.


2 posted on 05/24/2016 9:38:09 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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To: w1n1
Oops...mis-read the title.
3 posted on 05/24/2016 9:42:11 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: BuffaloJack
I learned to make black powder as a kid watching Star Trek reruns ;)


4 posted on 05/24/2016 9:51:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: w1n1

I made my share of black powder, and even managed to make some nitrocellulose (smokeless “guncotton”) once. It was actually a lot of fun.


5 posted on 05/24/2016 10:04:23 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: w1n1
What are the characteristics of this ancient propellant? First, it is considered an explosive as opposed to a propellant such as smokeless powders

That has always struck me as odd, as smokeless powder can be detonated much easier than black powder. Though black powder has long been used as a low explosive blasting powder. When it explodes, it only deflagrates.

6 posted on 05/24/2016 10:14:09 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: w1n1

Love the smokey goodness!

Hate cleaning my Uberti 1847 Walker Colt afterwards. It’s practically a complete rebuild.


7 posted on 05/24/2016 10:14:17 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Elderberry

I’ve thrown a match into a FULL 1 lb container of Hercules Red Dot. All I got was a rocket exhaust 10 feet high. Do that with black powder and you’re in for a world of hurt.


8 posted on 05/24/2016 10:15:42 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: w1n1
I AM SO SICK OF THE BLACK POWER MOVEMENT!!! No race is better than another! White people are not subordinate to any other race, neither are latinos or Asians!

Oh, you said black POWDER??

Never mind.


9 posted on 05/24/2016 10:18:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Chuck Norris finally met his match in Donald Trump.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I had a can of black powder on my table and a friend convinced me to let him light some. I put one cap full in the ash tray. He lit it with his cigarette and it singed all the hair on his arm to his elbow before he could move his arm back.


10 posted on 05/24/2016 10:19:36 AM PDT by Elderberry
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***One of the few improvements included making powder with water, so it could be made into a cake-like compound.***

In THE AGE OF FIREARMS by Robert Held, he states that urine was used to dissolve and mix the ingredients. The urine of a “wine drinking Bishop” was considered the best.


11 posted on 05/24/2016 10:20:55 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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I haven’t shot muzzle loading revolvers for forty years! Same reason. I do shoot muzzle loading and cartridge rifles with black powder. Much easier to clean.

I still have a Thompson Center flintlock rifle I bought in 1973. Never fired it as a flintlock is a booger to clean.
On the other hand, my Lyman Great Plains rifle gets shot ever so often. I rigged up a simple holder to both shoot and clean it quickly.


12 posted on 05/24/2016 10:25:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SJSAMPLE
Don't be anywhere near a can of Red Dot if you shoot it. It will detonate as it is a double base powder comprised of about 40% nitroglycerine.
13 posted on 05/24/2016 10:26:57 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
You should shoot the flintlock.

If you can shoot a flintlock accurately, you can shoot anything.

The firing lag time is hard to get used to.

The pan whoosh!

Then the bang!

14 posted on 05/24/2016 10:30:42 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’ve had the Great Plains rifle, 54 caliber, for 25 years. I call her “Ole Betsy”. Love it! Taking it elk hunting this year so when I jump them in their beds I can get a shot. Follow up shots with a S&W 629, in 44 mag ... Ole Betsy takes a while to reload.


15 posted on 05/24/2016 10:33:56 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Yea but you get to reply to “what are you doing later” with “going home to clean my nipples”...


16 posted on 05/24/2016 10:41:39 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

-—The urine of a “wine drinking Bishop” was considered the best.
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LOL


17 posted on 05/24/2016 12:47:56 PM PDT by Bubba Gump Shrimp (A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My Grandsons’ First experience with a rifle ,,,

Hawkins. .32 caliber cap and ball.

I’ll never forget It !


18 posted on 05/24/2016 6:27:04 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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