Posted on 10/07/2019 10:09:51 AM PDT by RArtfulogerDodger
Your Second Civil War: It Ain’t Happening.
OPINION: By Jeffrey A. Friedberg
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PICTURE: The Real USA General George S. Patton, With Ivory-Handle Revolver.
I have read articles. And I have read “Comments,” that follow the articles. I see references to, “a second civil war.”
I see calls for “molon labe…or for, ‘lock and load.’”
I am told that, “70 million Americans stand ready.” I see other militant opinions, and analyses.
But, in my opinion, there can be no “second civil war.”
Unless whoever commands America at that time is leading it.
If there were to be an armed uprising of any sort, the government — whoever might be in charge — would normally be duty-bound to end it. Put it down. Make arrests. And so-on.
For instance, if Donald Trump were President, it would be his job to suppress any armed revolution.
The same goes for any Democrat President.
That is — as stated, unless one, or the other, were leading it — leading a Second American Revolution. Or civil war.
In 1776, only about a third of the country supported the “First” American Revolution.
In 2019, would a third of America again stand up and fight? Given present differences between Americans during, say, World War II, and today’s Americans — no, I don’t think so.
Especially, since, today, there is no way to hide from an all-seeing Government eye. A super science that can read or hear your every word, recognize your face from space, or fly a Hellfire missile through your bedroom window.
There could be no “secret” meetings. No “underground.” No “spy network,” and no “hiding out among the people.” No “swimming like fish,” among them.
Because if the government doesn’t discover you, somebody on your street will damn sure report you.
Try congregating in groups, or “hardened” shelters, and see what happens. Try showing a gun, or wearing black or camo. Try practicing formations, marching, or training. Try “practice” shooting. Try those things and see how fast things happen.
Let’s be more realistic about all this.
You’re not gonna fight Them from your door. You’re not gonna fight them from your driveway. They could park a tank in front of your house. They could flood the neighborhood with armed troops or “violence suppression units,” and surround you.
You’re not gonna fight “enemy” leaders, by storming their redoubts, because they will be deep underground, in hidden, impervious, protected, well-guarded, government bunkers.
Being even more realistic, let’s say that In 2019, if a third of America were to support an armed revolution, that would be about 110,000,000 people. Enough to make an army? Of course.
But I, personally, doubt that would happen. Not as long as “folks” are comfy, have stuff in the fridge, families to consider, careers, new DC Universe movies, and the legacy media to keep them “informed.”
I mean most people would hide; not all of them, of course, but most would. The average person would probably want to keep their head down and “just live my life.”
Also, we are told that as many as 30,000,000 “folks” — here — are from other countries, and may not feel they owe any allegiance to America.
So — how many would stand up and fight?
I don’t think the entire balance of people would fight.
For the sake of conversation, let’s make things even more realistic, and cut that number of 110,000,000 in half. That leaves maybe 55,000,000. Still enough for an army? Yes. But would all that many “folks” stand and fight? Probably not — no.
Playing the odds, even cutting it in half again, to about 27,500,00, it’s still a lot of “folks.” Except, as stated, we are told some 30,000,000 are not even from here.
So — how many would actually stand and fight? What’s the size of this “army?” How many would be armed? How many would be trained? How many would know what to do against a trained and equipped opposition force? And I’m not talking about single-action, AR-15s, and 9mm Glocks.
I’m talking going up against tanks, missiles, artillery, helicopter gunships, and lots of really big, fully automatic, guns.
Oh — and where, exactly, do “folks” go to have this “revolution?” Who’s in charge? Who decides things? What’s the target? What are the rules of engagement?
PICTURE: The Real Face Of USA General George Washington. Reconstructed.
Who watches over them?
Where do they get drinking water and food?
How many tanks do they have? Jets, missiles, trucks. Where do they sleep?
I hear arguments that “ex-service people and police” — Patriots — stand armed, experienced and ready to fight. That there would — therefore — be no such opposing Force willing to kill fellow Americans.
Duh? What would these ex-service people and police be doing? Handing out pamphlets to the other side? It’s said these are the ones ready to fight. Who will they be fighting?
Will they be shooting people? Killing them? Or, will they be shooting “only to wound?” Just enough to make an example?
Would they really shoot Americans?
Of COURSE!
— There will always be people willing to shoot other people. No matter what “side” they may be on. No matter who they support — whether, the President, or Whomever else may be in charge.
Further, what if there are more than two armies, and not just the imagined, one army of Others, and one army of police, ex-servicemen, and additional “patriots?”
There have always been people ready to pull the trigger. There have always been people who thought it was patriotic, religious, orderly, or just plain fun. Killing would take place on both sides. On all sides.
What if religion or race created even more armies? And everyone had people who could pull the trigger?
What if some inflamed congressman or senator somehow got their hands on a nuclear weapon, and some “patriotic,” willing military, and decided to bomb a “conservative” city? We have already been told that can happen.
Where would this war start? Who would participate? What — or who — would be targeted? What’s the order of battle?
How could this war be ended? Who would be in charge to end it?
And then what? Who won? What System would be dominant? Democracy? Communism? Liberty? Equality? Fraternity? One World? How would that particular System be enforced? Who would enforce it?
Where would America have been — or be, all this time? What would happen to America’s leaders, traditions, Constitution, declarations, documents, and other guiding principles? Would America be poised to unfold like a newly majestic butterfly? Like a blazing phoenix rising from its own ashes?
Or would it be crumbling in some hidden bunker?
What’s the answer?
I don’t know.
I can only hope that Donald Trump exposes mighty powers now working against America. That the American people reject and shun them. That anyone who hates America will be dealt with legally, constitutionally, and finally, forever.
I can only hope there will be no second armed insurrection.
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We must let Trump and our senators fight for us.
I think even GOPe politicians know what’s at stake.
I hope even Romney comes to his senses.
I am greatly heartened by the signs I see that Trump is fighting back.
Would it have been proper for German officeholders to ask the British government for help stopping Hitler from becoming dictator?
Why, yes!
And Amendment I prevents the Congress from blocking Trump from finding out and publishing the truth about Democratic political sellouts and 2016 foreign election meddling of any type.
I hope the Ukrainian government can clean up the Ukraine.
John Mark has a different opinion. Is civil war II inevitable? He, and I agree the better option would a “peaceful separation”.
Let the Left have their Utopia in their own portion of the country and we can have our portion of the country free of their interference. We could find out once and for all which way works better.
How that comes about is yet to be seen, and it may only be possible after CW II.
CIVIL WAR 2 in America - WHO WOULD WIN? In-Depth Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJh7Ye1Qvc8
Just cut the fuel supply. In winter. They would be begging for it to end.
Waiting and watching... and identifying who is not cleaned out of the stables.
The names are known, as is the rather voluminous evidence that does not have to be, in the absence of indictment, discarded. Legal first.... to identify these false people inside the cabal, which is still unfolding. The level of hysteria by media on the payroll (the uh, dwindling payroll btw, as the illegal sources dry up— including the cartels as the wall and BP/ICE persevere under law to stop the flow and infiltration).
One Second After—W.R. Forstchen the writer is a “sort of” conservative in regards to the current situation. Constitution? Of Course! Which provides also for the concurrent and secondary/tertiary response down to the level of the people. Hopefully never a “french revolution”, which resulted in the originators being given the chop by the mob. The mob cannot be allowed to run things.
One of the first eco-whacko classes I am aware of was offered at SDSU and I took it with an engineering buddy of mine to see WTH was going on...
There was some good info on a few things and one of them was security. The mention was that power lines, water pipes, energy sub-stations and generators, water pipes, and food supplies were all terribly vulnerable. The second point was made that interruption to power and/or water supplies would make a large city uninhabitable in a matter of days, if not hours.
People like Brennan would love to do it to conservatives.
No matter what, DJT and his family and his key allies are going to be in danger for the rest of their lives.
A third supported the first Revolutionary war, but only about 3% did the actual fighting.
It’s time it happened legally.
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I completely agree with you. But I just don’t see that happening. Numerous indictments (which is what is needed) would be problematic for Barr. And even if he were to do it, the process would drag out forever into an endless circus of legal stunts.
As much as I hate to say it what will probably come out of the Barr probe (and Horowitz) will likely be an indictment of the agencies involved for not following procedures and “acting outside the bounds of their authority” or some such BS. He’ll make recommendations to “strengthen accountability” but I doubt there will be a flurry of charges against specific individuals.
I hope I’m wrong but that would be the easiest road for Barr and company to take and therefore the most likely. The heavy lifting associated with going after individuals would be time consuming, have unintended political side effects, and would probably be fruitless in the end.
We pretend to be a nation of laws but we are anything but.
“they will be deep underground, in hidden, impervious, protected, well-guarded, government bunkers”
They certainly won’t be and many carefully observant eyes in affluent areas will provide proof of my opinion.
Cut the power/ water/ cable tv /internet to a couple of large cities at the same time and you already have a civil war.
Basically you’re saying there are a lot of “cells” operating in the United States. I agree.
Well that’s good to know. I guess I can go take a nap then...
No one I know wants a violent second civil war and I do not advocate that one be launched. But I think the author is naive to think that should one begin it would occur as he outlines. Overt warfare against the government would be suicidal for the reasons he states even though I don’t think government forces would be monolithic as opposition to corruption permeates many segments of America. There are countless examples of “people’s wars” that were successful, some of which American forces were on the losing end of. Violent tactics including sabotage and targeted assassinations would be coupled with non-violent civil disobediance. But hopefully it won’t come to this and that any violence can be avoided by settling differences legitimately at the polls.
YOU BROKE THE CODE :)
If they were in charge, of course they could do that.
I think that all that will come of the Democratic power play is that independent voters will learn that freedom-hating leftists should not run America.
If the lights went off and the grocery store shelf became empty, the situation would get fluid in a blink.
Could be exterminated by gunships, missiles, and bombers by lunchtime.
Pooh, pooh.
A “gang” or an “organized crime operation” or Jihadists, Religious cults, enviro nuts, etc..
They can and DO have “cells” all over the place. And they are ALL governing/ power structure institutions in search for land to occupy and people control and govern according to THEIR beliefs.
“...writer does not understand assymetric warfare...”
Writer is wishful thinking. He should study the Viet Cong,French Maquis, Polish resistance, Seminoles, Apaches, Algerian FLN, WW2 Philippine guerillas etc to see how this works.
Ain’t been here long enough to have a clue what shite you are spouting. Never will have, Master Dawkins. The “Bill Sykes’s” will rat out imbeds and antiFA and the (((Fagins))) the baubles are brought to, gladly help them do so. Sentenced to transportation, in absence of which-— buh bye. Nice bravado in any case, from a noob. Tasking.... tasking, and leadership who would do it—there’s the rub. All quite legal.
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