Posted on 10/16/2023 5:27:11 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
If God were to prevent humans from doing bad things, then humans would just be pawns or robots. Instead, we have free will.
Coincidence? Yes.
We're doomed! I can already hear the hoof beats.
The Dark Side never learns because it already knows everything already, yet it'll peg *me* with a smarmy know-it-all label. (You're certainly not doing that, just that your comment reminded me of how things typically go.)
I find the funniest-but-true stuff along the way, so there's no going back, but the humor-impaired are not able to be amused. I suspect that they're under enough stress already.
You might enjoy this little trail off of "just a coincidence":
In the Biblical world, the Torah is synonymous with truth. The Torah is "the Law." In the ordinary, secular realms, a torah is simply a teaching, theory. Or, in the language of the place named for being the origin of the Sun, a tiger, even or especially a complete surprise. Epic:
The tora of the title, although literally meaning "tiger", is actually an abbreviation of a two-syllable codeword (i.e., totsugeki raigeki 突撃雷撃, "lightning attack"), used to indicate that complete surprise had been achieved.You probably know all of that but keep it going...
"Torah" [תורה] = 611. You probably know that too. Like Mashiach = 358, or chai/life = 18, it's a gematria that gets around and generates a lot of interest...
Well, not on the level of conspiracy theories, though. They can really go off the charts. (HAARP, anyone?)
"Conspiracy" -- that's one of the many foreign words that Hebrew speakers have adopted as their own:
קונספירציה
(The regular Hebrew word [קֶשֶׁר] is based on the root meaning connection, link).
conspiracy --
= 611
🤓
Looks to me like there's no escape. 😎
In the phrase "conspiracy theory" [תאוריית קשר, or תאוריית קונספירציה], even "theory" [תאוריית] is, well.. a "theory", at which point I couldn't help but notice its similarity to the language of the Torah -- and that which is illuminative, descriptive.
(The Moon Landing gets top image billing on that Hebrew "conspiracy theory" page. Excellent! That's one small step for man...)
You know what they say, something like
Yesterday's conspiracy theories are today's obvious truths.
(Imagine what there's to know, tomorrow.)
In the meantime, everybody knows that paradoxical Hill Valley is "A Nice Place to Live" (maybe it was named for some guy name Hill, or Hillel), and that Lyon Estates is the place to live in the dream home of tomorrow, today.
Now,
Who's really in charge of the entire narrative all of the 'time', everywhere? You'd think folks would finally catch on and be eager to embrace,
Because the first run of the DMC time machine occurred on Jewish Mother's Day (11 Cheshvan), the Sabbath of
Lech-Lecha: Genesis 12:1 - 17:27
Haftarah: Isaiah 40:27 - 41:16
That's the parsha that opens with the verse source for why Abraham is considered the first Jew:
12.1 And the Lord said to Abram, "Go forth from your land and from your birthplace and from your father's house, to the land that I will show you.
Could have been an inside joke. Who on the outside would have noticed?
(Nothing gets disintegrated, but people really miss out if they don't click at that point in the BTTF mall scene vid, complete with the cc about the Temple. Youtube is like Wikipedia though -- a terrible place with bad language!)
That reading from the prophets is the one following the Haftarah for the week of the splashdown of the dove Columbia on Tisha B'Av.
Dr. "Emet" Brown... a real nutcase.
Heh, while I was typing this up, I needed to pause, to go out to the chicken coop to check up on the girls and to tidy up, turn on their sturdy old thrift shop radio (no connection to the internet). Okay, so they are a bit pampered.
I was immediately greeted by John Denver, singing these words in "For Baby":
And the wind will whisper your name to me
Little birds will sing along in time
Leaves will bow down when you walk by
And morning bells will chime.
It's like that verse about Joseph:
Genesis 41:49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering; for it was without number. 🍿 🍿 🍿
And that "to prevent war, the galaxy is on Orion's beh.. beh.."
So how about that unknown 5th ingredient in the anointing oil? It's a big mystery, so many theories.
Well if ya ask me, I'd simply point out that midnight oil is not sold in stores.
How do you square ‘free will’ with the claim that everything happens according to God’s plan, and God is all powerful?
Imagine how terrible you’d have to be in order to be all powerful and all knowing, and do nothing about child rape except watch it, over and over and over again, doing nothing. Except watching.
This may be the best explanation, but I will explain a few things first.
First, there is God’s antecedent, or original plan, and then there is what God permits. He permits us to do evil in part to maintain our free will.
Second, at the end the author mentions what seems to be God’s willing evil, for example, when the Bible says God hardened Pharoah’s heart. Supplementary to their explanation is the fact that we often say, she made me so angry, when in fact, we allow ourselves to become angry. What she did was the sort of thing that makes me feel angry, not that she necessarily did something bad, as when she tells me that I really shouldn’t be committing adultery.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/god-evil-and-metaphor
whether they will submit gladly to His benevolent Lordship, for an eternity of protected bliss,
versus
an eternity of freedom from Him, leaving them completely unprotected from hell's sadists.
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Because the first run of the DMC time machine occurred on Jewish Mother’s Day (11 Cheshvan).....
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Btw, my babylonian birthday is that same day in that movie.
I reversed engineered to see what that day was in year I came to be as He tells time with all His signs in the heavens(not 1985)
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:)
Nice fall day. Looks like rain, though. Maybe days of it..
And you being a student of Divine Providence will bring out of your storehouse treasure both new and old.
American pickers are picky what they see as having any worth, or that digging that deep as you are led to do, has any worth..
It’s nice to know that even very secular things are not beyond His Divine Providence.
What about the kid being raped? What is their choice? Have you convinced yourself a toddler deserves to be raped because an all seeing god would rather watch than intervene? If that’s the case, you’ve invented a depraved deity, and you worship it? Sick.
I see He has a long, long way to go to convince you. But He has accomplished that many a time, and with the most skeptical people. That is what He does.
As for your heartfelt anguish over man’s inhumanity to man, that is the inevitable cost of letting people exercise their free will. It is horrifying. And every human experiences its pain.
Perhaps you have had more than your share. Indeed, perhaps you were raped as a child.
The issue is, do you want to experience those horrors here, for several decades, temporarily, or in hell, forever? He has done a loving thing for you, by giving you a taste of what it will be like to be forever without His protection. Your choice.
By the way, God has felt the full force personally of torture. He came in person and got Himself scourged and nailed to a cross for you. He knows.
No one has ever been converted to faith in Him who wasn’t being prayed for. I don’t know your circumstances, but I do know mine: I’ve prayed for Him to send me someone new to pray for, and today He sent me you, Gunslingr. Every day I will be praying for Him to break through to you and give you saving faith, even as He did for me.
You didn’t answer my question.
What about the kid being raped? What is their choice?
It sounds like you’re justifying child rape as the mechanism for an all seeing, all knowing, all powerful god to decide who should be tormented forever.
Weird, but ok. But that just addresses the rapists and their fate. If god is all knowing, wouldn’t he already know the child rapists’ hearts without them subjecting victims to their twisted fantasies?
Why would you worship a god who lets kids be raped as defenseless victims in his gameshow of how you spend from Here to Eternity?
No one has a choice whether evil befalls them in this world, because evil befalls absolutely everyone: children and adults. God in His wisdom permits but does not condone it.
I worship the God who offers deliverance from evil, eternally. Right now, you worship a god--yourself--who is part of the problem, and will be, eternally.
Here's the thing about hell. Most people demand to be their own boss. They do not want God bossing them. In fact, ultimately that want nothing to do with God. God respects their choice, so He created a place where He is not present, in any way. But that means He is not present to protect anyone there from everyone there.
Do you really want to spend eternity surrounded by all those child-rapists?
I had some strange things happen on BBTF Day in 2015 (the day they went to 2015). Unrelated to the movie yet having everything to do with the movie.
When mundane things are ignored on general principle because there's "nothing to see here" day in and day out, people who did that are unable to connect the dots when SHTF because they have no dots to connect.
The best stuff is hidden in "very secular things" precisely because no one's looking there. Okay, almost no one. 🙃
Here's a very interesting object. I'm a 'concept' person.
Today pulled out of its morning drizzle mode and has turned out really nice!
If an adult permitted a child to be raped, and didn’t do anything to stop it, would you revere that person?
I would find that person, who could have stopped the child rape but instead ‘permitted’ the child rape to happen, an evil person.
I would question the morals of anyone that worshipped a person who could stop such evil, but chose instead to watch a child be raped.
God permits evil briefly in order to abolish it permanently. There is no other way to permit the free will you cherish. He gives everyone a free choice. You won't get a better deal.
All the people in hell will still be clinging to their independence and their hatred of God. The gates of hell will be locked from the inside.
But He demonstrated His love for you and me by sending His only Son to pay the penalty for all of our wrong and abusive choices. By rising from the dead, He proved He is who He claimed to be.
You have argued forcefully the foremost argument against Christianity. I used to argue it, too, until God convinced me of His love. You are not yet convinced, but it usually takes six or eight hearings of this good news before we're ready. Today, you heard it again.
I'm praying for you.
Dan
You didn’t answer my question.
If an adult permitted a child to be raped, and didn’t do anything to stop it, would you revere that person?
Of course not. You know that.
You’re keeping yourself out of heaven by playing word-games.
Gracias..
Btw, I know a woman so named from your link that’s due to give birth soon to a little girl.
You didn’t know that.
But He does..
:)
The paradox of people worshipping an all powerful, all knowing being who prefers to watch child rape over prevent it isn't my creation. It's a system you've adopted and embraced. I'm just pointing out how silly and immoral is it, if you could believe such a thing, to support such a thing.
He is preventing it, just not instantly as you and I would prefer. He gives people seventy or eighty years to act out their desires, and some see the light—but most never do. If He gave people a much shorter time, that would reduce the horrors, but then He would be accused of being unfair for giving people inadequate time for repentance.
Meanwhile, He works constantly and in many ways to limit and reduce humans’ assaults on each other.
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