Posted on 11/25/2023 6:14:44 AM PST by CheshireTheCat
This date in 2010 happens to be Thanksgiving in the United States.
Dating to the Civil War in its modern incarnation, its ancestral event is the “first thanksgiving” wherein European colonists* chowed down with the Wampanoags who had saved them from starvation in New England.
This moment of apparent amity obviously also presages the near-annihilation of native peoples by those European colonists over the succeeding centuries; even in 1621, the seeds of future conflict were at hand. By the very next year, Wampanoag chief Massasoit would demand the execution of legendary Pilgrim-befriender Tisquantum (Squanto).
So it’s also fitting to remember that this day in 1838** was the execution of Tsali, the hero of those escaped North Carolina Cherokee whom Brown mentions — a man tied to a tree and shot this date by the U.S. Army for resisting “Indian removal”.
While assimilated Cherokees like Chief John Ross were themselves right in the thick of the debate about deportation, Tsali was a traditionalist farmer in North Carolina who had little contact with such sketchy political machinations.
When Washington’s ethnic cleansing policy shed its diplomatic cover for naked force, Tsali and his family killed some of the soldiers sent to capture them for removal.** General Scott was not amused....
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Osiyo
The revisionist Woke thinking is heavy in this article.
Tohiquu
The story is correct...They are one half of my family ancestors
This is a false statement. Almost certainly, a majority of native peoples were assimilated into the dominant western culture and civilization. It simply offered a better way of living. Less starving and more peace. Most who died, died of disease, over three centuries.
There are more native peoples genes in our population today than existed at the time of Columbus.
Yes, the individual story of the trail of tears is correct. So? Lots of atrocities accrue over many centuries on all sides.
Did you know President Jackson defied the Supreme Court with his actions?
Seriously is.
Yes, Jackson was a lawless thug.
The correct response to the trail of tears isn’t So What. The fact that Indian tribes practiced atrocities has no relevance to what the white men were up to. Whites who pursue policies of inhuman cruelty are in a poor position to claim moral superiority.
Yes...I have little respect for Andrew Jackson...
Tribal warriors vastly helped Jackson in the War of 1812 and look how he repaid them........
To be clear, there are more genes from pre-columbian people in the current population of the Americas than existed in the pre-Columbian population of the Americas.
This is because there are about forty times as many people today as existed then, and the pre-Columbian populations assimilated and intermarried over centuries.
It would be impossible if the existing pre-columbian populations were simply wiped out.
It is hard to believe you are serious. What other people do in warfare has enormous effects on what is tolerated.
Western civilization had, at minimum, serious theoretical limits as to what was allowed. Those limits came from Christianity. Cannibalism, widely practiced in the Americas before Columbus, was not allowed. Human sacrifice, detested by God in Christianity, demanded by the dominant native tribes, was not allowed. Eventually, very late, slavery was finally wiped out among the native tribes. The last people in North America to give up slavery were North West coast Indian tribes. As I recall it lasted into the 20th century.
The “natives” here were overwhelmed and fell to a superior culture, as has happened to all our ancestors throughout all history.
The difference is some don’t endlessly snivel about it, like some of the insufferable victim-group-thinkers... who seriously need to just STFU already.
How about going back to 1789???
More info on the Cherokee removal and Cherokee Slave Rebellion in the IT (Indian Territory)
https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SL002
Now you see why so many tribes in the Southwest joined the Confederacy in the Civil War.
The tribes that made or were negotiating treaties with the Confederacy.
Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws, Comanches, Wachitas, Kiowas, Pottawattamies, Chickasaws, Osages,
Seminoles, Senecas, Shawnees, Quawpaws.
The South also had Indian agents operating all throughout the High Plains and mountain region stirring up other tribes such as the Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Navajo and Apaches to make war on the Union at that time.
Their traditional enemies, Pawnee, Kaw, Osage (well, most of them) remained loyal to the Union.
The pro-Union Osages wiped out a party of Confederate officers heading for Colorado. On them were found instructions to...
#1, encourage southerners in Colorado to join the Confederate army.....and
#2, ENCOURAGE THE INDIAN TRIBES TO ATTACK SETTLERS IN THE KANSAS-COLORADO AREA.
That party was wiped out. Who knows how many other Confederate parties made it through with the same instructions.
“There is little doubt that the recent outbreak in the Northwest (Minnesota Uprising) has resulted from the efforts of secession agents operating through Canadian Indians and fur-traders.”—Mr Giddings, US Counsul-general in Canada
How the tribes treated each other BEFORE The White Man arrived...
https://ournativeamericans.blogspot.com/2018/07/1300s-crow-creek-massacre-in-south.html
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/massacre-sacred-ridge
https://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/basketmaker-ii-cave-7-massacre-or-cemetery/
https://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/1991/12/01/scalping-victim/
https://prezi.com/z9ioohxrdgat/anasazi-cannibalism/?fallback=1
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39268873
https://www.historynet.com/when-the-sioux-ambushed-pawnee-hunters-at-massacre-canyon/
http://www.dickshovel.com/scalp.html
https://lostworlds.org/ancient-massacre-discovered-in-new-mexico-was-it-genocide/
https://www.archaeology.org/news/2269-140630-colorado-torture-evidence
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1593823
https://archive.archaeology.org/9709/newsbriefs/anasazi.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-skulls-not-crime-scene-human-sacrifice-ad-900/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-site-reveals-brutal-sacrifice-of-spanish-conquistadors/
https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SL002
http://blogoklahoma.us/place/117/kiowa/cutthroat-gap-massacre
https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry?entry=CU012
https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry?entry=CL003
“Yes, Jackson was a lawless thug.”
Or so you say from your recliner in a warm room, in an America that likely wouldn’t exist, but for him. Jackson is a national hero. Without him we would likely have lost the nation in 1812. Much of the venom he gets is because he took on the banking establishment.
“The fact that Indian tribes practiced atrocities has no relevance to what the white men were up to.”
Very Palestinian of you.
How he repaid them? A year after the war of 1812 started, the mass of southern Indians joined up with the British and launched the sheer brutality of the Redsticks war. The Fort Mims Massacre etc.
From the French and Indian war, all the way up through Jackson’s era, Indians repeatedly allied with the French or British to try to destroy the colonies. And then throw in a Pontiac’s rebellion here, a Dakota uprising there etc.
From King Philips War forward, Indians have exploited every American crisis to attack.
So when they were removed, it was like an Academy Lifetime Achievement award for 180 years of treachery. Jackson, a national hero, fought them and learned of them since his childhood.
He was a decent man, and among the most slandered of US Presidents.
Tribal warriors vastly helped Jackson in the War of 1812 and look how he repaid them........
For more background the Red Stick War was direct tribal fighting that was supported by Europeans and the United States.
British traders and Spanish colonial officials in Florida supplied the Red Sticks with weapons and equipment due to their shared interest in preventing the expansion of the United States into regions under their control.I grew up in Rome, GA from infancy to twelve years old. The Major Ridge plantation home was just off of the Kingston Highway.The United States formed an alliance with the traditional enemies of the Muscogee, the Choctaw and Cherokee Nations, as well as the Lower Creeks faction of the Muscogee. During the hostilities, the Red Sticks allied themselves to the British.
Ridge acquired the title "Major" in 1814, during his service leading the Cherokee alongside the United States General Andrew Jackson at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend during the Creek War against the Red Sticks. This was a civil war within the Creek Nation between the Upper Towns and Lower Towns, who differed in their interaction with European Americans and hold on to tradition. Ridge had joined the campaign as an unofficial militia lieutenant. (Jackson was involved with the larger War of 1812 against Great Britain.) Ridge used Major as his first name for the rest of his life.[10] He also served with Jackson in the First Seminole War in 1818, leading Cherokee warriors on behalf of the US government against the Seminole Indians in Florida. His war achievements added to his stature among the Cherokee.
The indian tribes who own casinos won in the end.
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