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Sales have collapsed.
Citizen Watch Report ^

Posted on 12/19/2023 1:18:16 PM PST by davikkm

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To: Nik Naym

I could afford it—but why waste the money?

A fair price is probably half.


41 posted on 12/19/2023 1:58:34 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Obey or get canceled.)
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To: davikkm

Inflation/dollar devaluation.

The Fed had a 2% inflation target since the beginning. At 2% the dollar’s buying power is cut in half every 36 years. Now raise inflation to 20% and do the math (rule of 72). That’s how you end up with $100k pickup trucks and $1.5M tract houses. That and all the electronics crap they are shoving into them.


42 posted on 12/19/2023 1:58:34 PM PST by fretzer
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To: Navy Patriot

That’s a very desirable classic my friend....you’d better hang on to it!


43 posted on 12/19/2023 1:59:07 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Bought a new 1977 F-100 for $4200.00. Sold it after 100,000 miles and saw it still on the road for the next two decades. Times and trucks were different then.


44 posted on 12/19/2023 2:01:17 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold,them to be. dead, fingers.)
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To: Codeflier

One other point...I think used car businesses operate on a much lower gross margin percentage than my arbitrary example.


45 posted on 12/19/2023 2:01:45 PM PST by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Perseverando
a new electric vehicle for $10K

EV's are conceptually simple. Battery, wire, motor.

46 posted on 12/19/2023 2:04:11 PM PST by libh8er
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To: Mariner

“Only a fool would pay that much money for a truck.”

You can spot the fools because there’s not a dent or a scratch on their fancy-fancy truck to betray the effects of honest work.

They’re called dime-store cowboys up this way. Shiny trucks, hats with no sweat on them, fancy jeans, fancy shirts, and belt buckles they bought and didn’t earn.

But they have a truck that costs more than the double wide they have their familiy living in.


47 posted on 12/19/2023 2:05:48 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: davikkm

They have to pay for the EV mess that’s been created!! That is why Ford are priced so high.


48 posted on 12/19/2023 2:08:27 PM PST by Mac2121
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To: davikkm
The automakers and dealers better have saved some of the loot garnered from the fat years of low interest rates and decade-long car loans because the seven lean years are upon them.

$95k for an F150 is ludicrous.

49 posted on 12/19/2023 2:09:02 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: davikkm

Is this simply an issue with Fords?


50 posted on 12/19/2023 2:09:57 PM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: davikkm
Inventory levels are stacking up.

I suspect companies like Ford have a major problem. They do not manufacture cars (ok, mustang), their EV sales are dropping, and the money maker pickups are way too expensive for the average American.

51 posted on 12/19/2023 2:10:08 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan ( )
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To: Nik Naym

“My non expert opinion is that the car business is unsustainable in its current form.”

The UAW has killed the auto industry.


52 posted on 12/19/2023 2:10:57 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Codeflier

Only reason I feel the way I do is back in the 90s a neighbor that worked in parts at a local German import dealership knew I was looking for a used truck and found one for me.
He put with me with the sales manager and whilexstill making a profit he was still able to sell it to me for a reasonable price. That was the only time I ever felt like I got a fair shake at a dealership.
Not only that, he refused to accept my old truck as a trade in, stating he was only authorized to give me X for it and if I sold it myself I would make twice what he could offer.
Sure enough that’s exactly what happened.
Amazing what happens when a dealership tells you the truth.

Later we took my neighbor and his wife out for a very nice dinner as a thank you.

Having said all that, I get they are in business to make a profit but there’s a reason auto dealers have such a poor reputation.


53 posted on 12/19/2023 2:11:33 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: davikkm
But why?

Can't they finance for 30yrs and just bury you in a mountain
of debt, with a depreciating asset that you will never be able to pay off or get out of?

54 posted on 12/19/2023 2:11:47 PM PST by Tommy Revolts
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To: Navy Patriot

I’ll get my 65 Willys Jeep back together someday.


55 posted on 12/19/2023 2:11:56 PM PST by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure..)
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To: wally_bert

Nice. I have an ‘84 CJ7.


56 posted on 12/19/2023 2:13:52 PM PST by Tommy Revolts
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To: MeganC

They’re called dime-store cowboys up this way. Shiny trucks, hats with no sweat on them, fancy jeans, fancy shirts, and belt buckles they bought and didn’t earn.

But they have a truck that costs more than the double wide they have their familiy living in.


Lot’s of those types out here in Oklahoma.

Three biggest lies told in Oklahoma:

“This truck is paid for”..
“This belt buckle I won”..
“I was just helping the sheep over the fence”..


57 posted on 12/19/2023 2:14:25 PM PST by AFret. (.)
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To: Tommy Revolts

I have a mostly apart 82 CJ7.

At least the bodywork is pretty much done. Powder coating to the rescue.


58 posted on 12/19/2023 2:15:21 PM PST by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure..)
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To: Reno89519

Where I live most dealers seem to be so full they’re parking new cars in the street. Probably hoping they’ll be stolen or smashed so they can collect the insurance.


59 posted on 12/19/2023 2:16:06 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Perseverando

Batteries not included.


60 posted on 12/19/2023 2:16:51 PM PST by Iceclimber58
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