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Dog to be trained to spend time in dog crate (vanity) -- help needed for family in transition
self | 9/14/04 | self

Posted on 09/14/2004 4:32:37 AM PDT by JockoManning

I have become responsible for two dogs due to a death in the family.


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I commute and spend long hours at work. One dog is five y.o. (35 pounds), and the other is four y.o. (55 pounds). They are mutts, terrier / lab / spaniel mix. They are used to having someone home with them, but that's no longer possible -- their owner died and I am the next of kin. I must immediately decide how to best care for these two while I am at work; I would appreciate FReepers telling me what has worked in their experience. The dogs have never been crated. Is it possible to acclimate them to crates at their age? Is eleven hours a day too long to leave them? Thanks for your help.
1 posted on 09/14/2004 4:32:38 AM PDT by JockoManning
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To: JockoManning

There's a lot to consider. I take it the dogs are used to only a single person being around. Being alone might be tough for them. We have humane shelters here in MA that will NEVER put an animal down (Buddy Dog, they are in my will). If you can find one where you live, talk to them. They can help you decide, if not a vet.
Dogs take well to being in a cage of a decent size. They have a denning instinct. Put some cover over the crates and they will feel safe. If you can, maybe an outside dog run. Again they still need a "private space".


2 posted on 09/14/2004 4:39:31 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Kerry is Toast du Francai')
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To: JockoManning

I need to buy the crates. Any suggestions on WHICH BRAND OF DOG CRATE and what sizes would be best?

Hair of the Dog, could you ping your dog list?


3 posted on 09/14/2004 4:45:32 AM PDT by JockoManning
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To: HairOfTheDog

Hair of the Dog, could you ping your dog list?


4 posted on 09/14/2004 4:46:05 AM PDT by JockoManning
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To: JockoManning
Can you imagine having to 11 hours before using the bathroom? Do you live in an apartment? Otherwise, please consider fencing in your backyard or a portion of it so the dogs can be outside during the day. Or, can you search for someone to adopt them?

They are probably a little confused now with their owner no longer on the scene. I would recommend keeping them together. Dogs are pack animals and like each other's company.

This is a rough thing you're having to deal with. My prayers go up for you.

5 posted on 09/14/2004 4:46:06 AM PDT by Jemian (To err is human, but to really foul up requires a computer. ~ Dan Rather)
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To: Jemian; All; ProudVet77

thanks for the prayers.

i don't want to make life miserable for them.

what i am looking for is info from experienced pet owners as to the max time a dog can be trained to stay in a crate.

does anyone know of any good books on this topic or maybe a website i could go to for info?


6 posted on 09/14/2004 4:56:21 AM PDT by JockoManning
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To: JockoManning

http://warreneckstein.com/n-whatwarren.html

He's a pet psychologist :-)


7 posted on 09/14/2004 5:00:16 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JockoManning

When we both have to be gone, our mastiff stays in the equivalent of a crate, a 3x4 space with a gate, and a mattress on the floor. We put in his toys and a blanket and chew treats when we have to leave. He is 7 months old and stays in for 8.5 hours. Up to five months old, he was never confined in the house.

Immediately, when one of us gets home, we let him on the deck to eat and drink, do his business. Mastiffs are quiet dogs, and he doesn't seem to mind it a bit, though I'm sure he spends most of the time sleeping.

The minipin is left to roam the house, because she's older and I KNOW she sleeps all day.


8 posted on 09/14/2004 5:03:20 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Let's have a FReeper pj party election night!!!)
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To: JockoManning
Crates are way to confining for a long day.

I suggest you go to a big pet store and buy a portable, adjustable pen. And you might need something to make a top for it, so they don't jump over.

Before I moved in my motherinlaw, our two shitzoo's spent all day in Doggie Day-Care!

9 posted on 09/14/2004 5:08:52 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: JockoManning

Lock yourself in a trunk for 11 hours and see how you like it. Crating them for that long every day is inhumane. Give them away to a good home.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 5:11:11 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: cyborg

Many dogs take well to crate training and are left there while their owners are at work; however, 11 hours sounds awfully long to me (but then my dogs are spoiled brats).

FYI, I have a springer who is a nervous wreck in a crate, pants and droools and digs at it with his front paws, so we completely abandoned it for him. Just wanted you to know, before you invest in crates, there is a possibility it won't work.

Since there are two dogs and they are accustomed to being together, I don't think you'll have to worry about them being too lonely. They will rely on each other for company but will still act like it's the second coming of Christ when you arrive home. ;)

Two ideas you might want to consider: (1) finding someone to stop in mid-day to let them outside or to walk them; (2) fencing a portion of your yard and providing access to it via a pet door.


11 posted on 09/14/2004 5:11:28 AM PDT by freesia2
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To: freesia2; JockoManning

excellent advice...consider a dog sitter. I can't leave my poodle at home for that long. She gets mad and pees on my bed. I walk her in the morning, and then make sure she has a few bones, food,etc. and I leave the radio on.


12 posted on 09/14/2004 5:15:05 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JockoManning

I have had as many as three dogs at one time, all kept indoors and never, ever crated.

If you take the dogs out for eliminations just before you leave, they should be able to hold out, unless they have health problems.

For example, I put my Bulldog out every night around 10 PM and, even though I am with him all the time and make many offers, he refuses to go outside in the morning until after he has his breakfast, and even then I have to practically drag him out. That is usually twelve hours or more.

I would much rather keep the dogs fenced in a laundry room or kitchen or any uncarpeted area than in a crate.

Godspeed and blessings for your kindness to these orphaned dogs.


13 posted on 09/14/2004 5:27:41 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: cyborg

Sorry about that misplaced ping and thank you for redirecting to Jocko. Must not have had enough coffee yet when I hit 'post reply.'


14 posted on 09/14/2004 5:42:40 AM PDT by freesia2
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To: JockoManning

Can you put at gate at the kitchen or laundry room to keep them confined to 1 room?

My neighbors have a doggie door going into their laundry room that their dogs use and they are happy with it.

Eleven hours, IMO, is way too long to be crated. Good luck with them!


15 posted on 09/14/2004 6:18:26 AM PDT by shattered
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To: JockoManning
I guess I'm a pretty experienced dog owner: currently 4 dogs, been a volunteer, etc.

You have options. If you want to keep the dogs, install a gate across your laundry room, kitchen or whatever and keep the dogs in there with toys, water and chewies. Eleven hours is way too long to crate a dog. Crates are a training tool used during house-breaking, not a method of permanent confinement.

You could also use a gate to confine them near a back door and then install a dog door, if your yard is fenced.

If you are not really a "dog person", please consider letting someone who is adopt them. Look up animal shelters and explain your problem. You may need to keep the dogs as "foster" home until they are adopted.

Try your friends and relatives (even if they live far away). Someone else may really want those dogs and the airfare is cheaper than you think.

As a last resort, you can place the dogs in a no-kill shelter and kick in a few bucks every month to help defray costs.
16 posted on 09/14/2004 8:07:24 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: All; cyborg

thanks for the input.

I AM A DOG PERSON. Very much a dog person.

My commute is so long that I won't be home during the day; I could hire the neighbor kids to check on them though.

Cyborg, thanks for the link to the doggie pshrink. I am attached to these dogs and will try my best to give them a good decent life, full of love and healthy stuff.

Thanks to all.


17 posted on 09/14/2004 10:37:19 AM PDT by JockoManning
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My commute is so long that I won't be home during the day; I could hire the neighbor kids to check on them though

Hire them to take the dogs for a walk. Dogs need exercise to stay healthy. Plus, it will break up their day, give them some human contact, and allow them to do their business. (Take note if your community has a poopy-scoop law. Have the kids take a plastic grocery bag and pick up the leavings.)

18 posted on 09/14/2004 10:43:47 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: JockoManning

11 hours is way too long. There are services that will come to the house and let your dogs out during the day. Also check with an at-home neighbor or student.


19 posted on 09/14/2004 2:39:43 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: JockoManning

Just thought of something else. We have dog day care here where you take your dogs to a place and they are cared for during the day. They get to play with other dogs and be otherwise amused.

Not sure how much it costs but it was just a thought ~ enjoy your new pets!


20 posted on 09/14/2004 8:33:29 PM PDT by shattered
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