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The Guild 9-30-2004 I'm a real man too, I just don't have pictures to prove it...
Rush Limbaugh ^

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:54:23 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty

From the Kerry interview with Diane Sawyer.

RUSH: So Diane Sawyer says, "Okay, so tomorrow night the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him." She's holding up pictures of him wind surfing, by the way. She's holding up pictures of Kerry wind surfing and Bush chopping trees and clearing brush down there in Texas, and she says, "So tomorrow night, the dual for a man who says he's tired of the Bush campaign defining him, and that even his infamous wind surfing was an act of image rebellion, is there something about a candidate who wind surfs and snowboards up against these images? So is there a symbolism here you think people are responding to?"

KERRY: You know I do those things, too; I just didn't have those photographs taken, and I love doing everything --

RUSH: Stop the tape. Now, the question here didn't even make sense to me as I read it, but here's what he's answering to. She's holding up pictures of Bush clearing brush and Kerry wind surfing and says is this a bad image for you? And what he's saying is, "Oh, I clear brush, too. I clear brush, too. I do those things, too; I just don't have those photographs taken. I just didn't have those photographs." Just like there are no photographs when you fell down the ski slope, huh? He says he's got photos. [program observer interruption] No, he doesn't have any photographs. That's it. He's cleared brush at... I don't know if he means at Bush's ranch or not, that's a good question. Where has he cleared brush? Has he cleared brush up in Idaho at the ski chalet? Has he cleared brush up at Nantucket? Has he cleared brush in Beacon Hill to move the fire hydrant? Maybe he helps the gardeners. Maybe that's what he does, I don't know, but he says he's never taken pictures of it. So here's the rest of the bite.

KERRY: -- person. I'm going to be myself, Diane. That's what's important. You know, these pictures appear because I'm not trying to appear to be somebody different. I'm not trying to fake it. I'm going out and being who I am.

SAWYER: They portrayed him as elite sports and elitism?

KERRY: They've got to go talk to a lot of the guys who enjoy doing wind surfing and the guys I go with are, you know, regular, folks. They're carpenters and electricians, guys who work on the island. If they want to have fun with it, that's fine. What matters here are the American people, not what I do in a couple of hours when I have some free time to go get some exercise.

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Go get 'em girlie man.


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To: Endeavor

I love SpongeBob! But that funeral show wears me out just watching all the running around coupled with all that stress. Whew!


61 posted on 10/01/2004 11:15:38 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: mountaineer

I've been out hauling tree limbs, raking and watering the poor plants that are now getting sun for the 1st time in their tender little lives. It gave me lots of time to think...about the next debates.

First, I think Cheney will use last night's Kerryisms to clean the deck with Edwards next week. Johnny boy will be tied up in knots trying to explain Effin's positions. Example: Nuclear proliferation is our greatest threat, but Kerry opposes the missile defense system? And wants to give nuclear fuel to Iran? And opposes the bunker-buster bomb, specifically meant to target illegal underground nuclear facilities?

Then comes Bush at the "domestic policy" debate. Seems to me Bush has a natural theme all ready for him to use. For just about every subject Kerry raises, Bush can say, "AND WHERE WERE YOU, SENATOR? The Senate debated such and such legislation in (month) and you weren't there. When this or that policy was being developed, you weren't there. The Intelligence Committee delved into such and such at x meetings last year...you didn't attend even one. WHERE WERE YOU, SENATOR, when we were trying to pass the such and such bill?

Get my drift? I'm pretty sure Kerry's miserable attendance record goes back at least 3 years. Lastly, Bush can contrast his being at work every day with Kerry's full-time campaigning for at least two full years.

Doesn't that sound like a plausible theme for Bush to use on sKerry? And it would be soundbite perfect!


62 posted on 10/01/2004 11:16:23 AM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: BigWaveBetty

I walked through the family room as that bizarre swap was going on...I'd rather hang with the dairy farming guys.


63 posted on 10/01/2004 11:26:30 AM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: Timeout

It's a good strategy - I just hope Cheney (and Bush, at the next debate) come out swinging with refutations of every one of Kerry's lies. The Senate Intelligence Committee knew years ago that Saddam and Bin Laden were in cahoots, but that doesn't stop idiots like Kerry and Rockefeller from regurgitating the party line that there's no connection. Maybe pointing out that Kerry never bothered to attend such meetings, let alone show up at the office generally, will help persuade the so-called "undecideds" that this guy couldn't cut it as President.


64 posted on 10/01/2004 11:35:51 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Aggie Mama
Oh AM, if I can do it so can you! Couldn't believe how easy it was once I tried. Spending huge sums of money every six weeks on a salon coloring was killing me. Plus, the color never seemed right, it always looked to fake. So I took the plunge.

This is the one I use, the highlights are very easy, just slap them on. It's applied with a wand brush that looks like a large masscara brush. Easy, easy, easy! And cheap, cheap, cheap!

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65 posted on 10/01/2004 11:40:21 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: lodwick
Thankfully I didn't see that show just the previews. That rich wife was wearing a horrible gold dress. Ewwww, it was ugly.

And the youngest son started crying when the witch told him he couldn't work in the barn with the cows anymore! Poor little thing, he loves those cows! I started crying too! Evil woman.

66 posted on 10/01/2004 11:48:48 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: snugs
E-mailed you a couple pix. You might see some Camilla.. you will definitely see TaRaySa hair!
67 posted on 10/01/2004 11:56:38 AM PDT by DollyCali (Orange is Kerry's color. RED + YELLOW = ORANGE. Nuf said?)
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To: BigWaveBetty

I'm just curious as to what kind of personalities enjoy death enough to work with it every day. I've always thought that would be one of the worst jobs in the world.


68 posted on 10/01/2004 12:40:53 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: mountaineer

don't forget to include that idiot, bob graham.


69 posted on 10/01/2004 12:43:47 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor; All

Interesting information re: the debates

29 Sep 2004 | Connie Rice


Connie Rice: Top 10 Secrets They Don't Want You to Know About the Debates
The Tavis Smiley Show audio

The Tavis Smiley Show, September 29, 2004 · After weeks of political wrangling, Sen. John Kerry and President Bush will square off for the first of three key presidential debates. Both camps have agreed to an elaborate, 32-page contract that spells out everything from the size of the dressing rooms to permitted camera angles.

But the controversy over the debates threatens to overshadow the events themselves. Some citizen groups complain that the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) isn't as non-partisan as it should be, and that Kerry and Bush won't be pressed on urban issues. Commentator Connie Rice says that's just the tip of the iceberg, and she's got another Top 10 list -- this time: Top 10 Secrets They Don't Want You to Know About the Debates.

(10.) They aren't debates!

"A debate is a head-to-head, spontaneous, structured argument over the merits of an issue," Rice says. "Under the ridiculous 32-page contract that reads like the rules for the Miss America Pageant, there will be no candidate-to-candidate questions, no rebuttal to your opponent's points, no cross questions or cross answers, no rebuttals, no follow-up questions -- that's not a debate, that's a news conference."

(9.) The debates were hijacked from the truly independent League of Women Voters in 1986.

"The League of Women Voters ran these debates with an iron hand as open, transparent, non-partisan events from 1976 to 1984," Rice says. "The men running the major campaigns ended their control when the League defiantly included John Anderson and Ross Perot, and used tough moderators and formats the parties didn't like. The parties snatched the debates from the League and formed the Commission on Presidential Debates -- the CPD -- in 1986."

(8.) The "independent and non-partisan" Commission on Presidential Debates is neither independent nor non-partisan.

"CPD should stand for 'Cloaking-device for Party Deceptions' -- it is not an independent commission on anything. The CPD is under the total control of the Republican and Democratic parties and by definition bipartisan, not non-partisan. Walter Cronkite called CPD-sponsored debates an 'unconscionable fraud.'"

(7.) The secretly negotiated debate contract bars Kerry and Bush from any and all other debates for the entire campaign.

"Under what I call the Debate Suppression and Monopolization Clause of the contract, it is illegal for the candidates to debate each other anywhere else during the campaign," Rice says. "We need a new criminal law for reckless endangerment of democracy."

(6.) The debate contract effectively excludes all other serious presidential candidates from participating in the debates.

"This is what I call the Obstruction of Democratic Debate Rule, which sets an impossibly high threshold for third-party candidates... Where are we, Russia? Isn't Vladimir Putin wiping out democracy in Russia by excluding all opposing candidates from the airwaves during his re-election campaigns? Most new ideas come from third parties -- they should be in the debates."

(5.) All members of the studio audience must be certified as "soft" supporters of Bush and Kerry, under selection procedures they approve.

"It's not enough to rig the debate -- they have to rig the audience, too? The contract reads: 'The debate will take place before a live audience of between 100 and 150 persons who... describe themselves as likely voters who are soft Bush supporters or soft Kerry supporters.' We should crash this charade and jump up in the middle to declare ourselves hard opponents of this Kabuki dance."

(4.) These "soft" audience members must "observe in silence."

"Soft and silent... In what I'm calling the Silence of the Lambs Clause of this absurd contract, the audience may not move, speak, gesture, cough or otherwise show that they are alive and thinking."

(3.) The "extended discussion" portion of the debate cannot exceed 30 seconds.

"Other than the stupidity of the debate contract, what topic do you know that can be extendedly discussed in 30 seconds?"

(2.) Important issues are locked out by the CPD debate rules and party control.

"Really important but sticky or tough issues get axed, because the parties control the questions and topics," Rice says. "For example, in 2000, Gore and Bush mentioned the following issues zero times: Child poverty, the drug war, homelessness, working-class families, NAFTA, prisons, corporate crime and corporate welfare."

(1.) Fortune 100 corporations are the main funders of the CPD-sponsored debates, and the CPD's co-chairs are corporate lobbyists.

The CPD is run by Frank Fahrenkopf, a pharmaceutical industry lobbyist, and Paul Kirk, a top gambling lobbyist," Rice says. "And the biggest muliti-national corporations write the checks that fund the CPD -- Phillip Morris, Anheuser-Busch and dozens more. The audience may have to be silent and motionless, but the corporate sponsors can have banners, beer tents, Budweiser girls handing out pamphlets protesting beer taxes -- a corporate-sponsored circus to go along with the Kabuki Debates. Could we get a more fitting description of our democracy?"


70 posted on 10/01/2004 1:16:20 PM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: BigWaveBetty

When the war started in March 2003 and the French again showed their true colors I decided I would begin a one person fRench boycott. I had used Loreal for so many years. and feel it is the best I had ever had on my hair.

Now I try other products..

see you are a red head. I do my hair red for valentine's day & it lasts through st. pats day usually. Experiment with difft shades of red. fun.

What I now regret is giving away the large amount of FRench wine I had on stock. I already had bought it.. but I was so angry with the French and really atill am.


71 posted on 10/01/2004 1:21:37 PM PDT by DollyCali (Orange is Kerry's color. RED + YELLOW = ORANGE. Nuf said?)
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To: DollyCali

Thankfully, I didn't have any French wine on hand when it came time to boycott the frogs in 2003. Since then, I haven't bought any French or German wine (except for one bottle of G.H. Mumm champagne). By all accounts, our little boycott is having an effect on the French wine industry - awww, c'est domage.


72 posted on 10/01/2004 1:25:46 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: BigWaveBetty
(responding from yesterday's thread which I missed.. I have too many pings, I think - I responded & realized I was in yesterday's thread)

Cali is my cat.. not my state. I am from NE Ohio presently. I was a scuba person when I lived near tropical waters. I wasn';t into "wrecks" and so did not continue when I lived in US near coast.

I am a water person & do sailboarding(ala Kerry); kayaking & love to tube. Biking & rigorous hikes with my pooch Oliver round out my outdoor fair weather activities. I X ski in winter.


My profile page is a disaster. I had many things on a server & long story of bad friendship) now all is gone.

Need to find another server :& start over. Time is my biggest problem
73 posted on 10/01/2004 1:33:50 PM PDT by DollyCali (Orange is Kerry's color. RED + YELLOW = ORANGE. Nuf said?)
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To: mountaineer
I realize my puny non buy policy doesn't hurt them.. but it does make me feel better. since I cant punch Chirac, this is my next best choice.

BTW.. I have NOT heard from Ohio & Dr. Deb on days for our post election Ohio/WV get together. I am in charge. I am needing from them the days that CANT come due to teaching/school demands & preferred days.

I want to lay groundwork ASAP
74 posted on 10/01/2004 1:35:53 PM PDT by DollyCali (Orange is Kerry's color. RED + YELLOW = ORANGE. Nuf said?)
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To: DollyCali; All

If you have time for an OUTSTANDING true deep-water diving book, pick up Shadow Divers - you won't be able to put it down.


75 posted on 10/01/2004 1:37:02 PM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: daisyscarlett

If you dress a monkey with silk, the monkey will be a monkey with silk.


76 posted on 10/01/2004 1:53:34 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: lodwick

I am off to dinner & HS football game/band..

I go for the band (350 strong & jazz swing marching band.. lot different than when I was in HS).

Now the football team is pretty good so one does not have to suffer through it .. I cheer with the parents. Sure they think I am someone's grandma.

You all have a nice eveing!


77 posted on 10/01/2004 1:55:13 PM PDT by DollyCali (Orange is Kerry's color. RED + YELLOW = ORANGE. Nuf said?)
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To: All
ORANGE KERRY, can you spot him?


78 posted on 10/01/2004 1:57:12 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: DollyCali

Have a ball, Dolly.


79 posted on 10/01/2004 2:11:55 PM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: BigWaveBetty

The contrast of these pictures are hysterical.


80 posted on 10/01/2004 3:06:39 PM PDT by DaughterofEve (W)
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