Calling All Gun Nuts – Please Help Identify This Antique Pistol.

Jaysun (vanity) | 12/23/2004 | Jaysun

[Jaysun]

My particular model is the earliest one. It's from about 1880 or so. From what I understand Stevens made about 4 models of these pocket rifles, the last one being made about 1910.

[enigma825]

My double action H&R trapper model is exactly the same frame (pins, screw position, frame shape), except it has an integral rear sight. The short 7 shot cylinder is fluted and rotates clockwise unless the gun is cocked in single-action. The cylinder pin and release are exactly as shown on the scout model. The model stamping on the top strap is in the same place and orientation. The front sight on the octagon barrel is taller to accommodate the rear sight. Unlike other H&R's I've owned, it is not a top break 9 shot and the logo is absent from the frame. The manufacturers name is on the barrel.

[Toyboys]

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[Toyboys]

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[Jaysun]

Thanks Toyboys. I've found that Imagevenue's copy and paste html code doesn't work. I always take their tags off and put my own (img src="the web address here")(except using brackets)



Thanks! The bottom one (newport or trapper?) is a match. Is it by Harrington & Richardson? Do you know the year? Does it say "scout model"?

[Jaysun]

Oops! That was the tiny one.

[Jaysun]

Check out the gun on the bottom. It was sent in by our new FRiend Toyboys. He says it's a "trapper" by Harrington & Richardson and it looks to be an exact match to me - bizarre grip and all. Good call neverdem, enigma825, and wardaddy! You guys each win a chili dog, which you can pick up at your leisure ;o)

I'm still quizzing him as to the date and so forth. Thanks a million everyone.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Not an unusual style of grip for the time at all. This is a S&W single shot, and I have also seen them on S&W revolvers (.22) of the period.

[Jaysun]

Nice pic. Thanks, none of us had seen one. Everyone thought the grips were a later addition.

[neverdem]

Check out the gun on the bottom. It was sent in by our new FRiend Toyboys. He says it's a "trapper" by Harrington & Richardson and it looks to be an exact match to me - bizarre grip and all. Good call neverdem, enigma825, and wardaddy!

I don't need no fat head for the New Year. No thank you. It's not exact, close, but no cigar. The differences in cylinder and spindle length are the most obvious. There are a number of other more subtle differences in shape of the cylinder, receiver or frame(whatever), hammer and pin location. Good luck. Maybe they are related. Happy New Year!

[Jaysun]

It's not exact, close, but no cigar. The differences in cylinder and spindle length are the most obvious. There are a number of other more subtle differences in shape of the cylinder, receiver or frame(whatever), hammer and pin location.

I'm not expecting to receive the photographer of the year award, which may be the problem. I've held my pistol to the screen and I'm telling ya, they're "dead nuts" as we say in the construction industry. Thanks.

[Squantos]

Your saying the 2 in the pic in # 67 are the same ?

[Jaysun]

Your saying the 2 in the pic in # 67 are the same ?

No. (neverdem, perhaps this is the source of our confusion). Both of those pistols belong to him - that's his (toyboys) picture. I'm saying the lower pistol in his picture matches mine. Look at the original pictures that I posted and I think you'll see.

[Squantos]

Okie Dokie.....

[hiredhand]

Wow....mystery solved! The power of FR! I did "sort" of think it looked like an H&R, but wasn't certain enough to say. :-)

[Jaysun]

Wow....mystery solved! The power of FR! I did "sort" of think it looked like an H&R, but wasn't certain enough to say. :-)

It's wonderful. I'm astonished. Next time, don't be so reluctant to speak your mind. I never hold guesses (except for football game predictions that prove incorrect) over anyone's head. Happy New Year!

[hiredhand]

It's wonderful. I'm astonished. Next time, don't be so reluctant to speak your mind. I never hold guesses (except for football game predictions that prove incorrect) over anyone's head. Happy New Year!

Yes! A lot of expertise in many areas on FR! Next time I WILL speak out even if it's a shot in the dark.

Happy New Year to you and yours too! :-)

[Toyboys]

Sorry about the confusion... The gun on top is a H&R Trapper. The gun on bottom is a NEWPORT. Stamped on top just like yours says Scout. I Originally purchased it as a Trapper, But learned that they were made in Newport not to far from H&R factory.. Thats all I could find out about It.. Good luck with your Hunting Toyboys

[Swordmaker]

Obviously, these two guns are not identical. There are major design differences that, as a gun expert, I would consider exclusive to each gun. There are many frame differences between the top gun and the one similar to yours. The trigger guards have distinctly different shapes. The hammer pin is distinctly forward of the triggerguard pin on the top gun but more toward the rear on the lower gun.

The gun on the top is a fairly common Harrington and Richardson Trapper model.

The gun on the bottom is, to all appearances, identical with your gun.

If it is indeed a "Newport" (and I can find no reference to such a maker) then this is more evidence that your gun is what I said it was: a gun made for a reseller... and so is this one. The "Newport" is likely another "brand name" made by the Iver Johnson Company. The fact that we have two identical guns, one branded "Scout" and one branded "Newport" would indicate that it ISN'T a model that was an "in-house" model that was sold under the maker's actual name.

[Jaysun]

I should have been more clear. First, the picture showing the two guns together was posted by another FReeper. I wasn't comparing the two guns in the picture to each other. Rather, I was comparing the bottom gun in his picture with my gun. If you look at my gun and the bottom gun in his picture you'll see that they're a match. Sorry for the confusion.